I, For One, Am Sick of Our New Jedi Pimping Overlord (Warning: Spoilers)

A friend calls me up tonight and says, “Come on, I’ll buy you dinner and take you to see the newest Star Wars movie.” Now, he and I are big sci-fi geeks. We’ve seen every Star Wars movie multiple times (except for the newest ones), seen all the Star Trek films, can spout dialog from tons of other sci-fi films at the drop of a hat, but prior to this, he’d expressed some doubts about going to see Revenge of the Sith when it came out. I, on the other hand, was willing to give it a chance. (Oh, I’m not going to bother boxing any spoilers, so if you’re bothered by such things, leave now.)

Of course, I’d been gradually growing a little more leery of the film as the release date drew nearer. The way they’d been hyping the film and the toys and other things was troubling to me, but I’d heard good things about the film, and I’d figured that at the worst, I’d still like the film. After all, I’m one of the few people who didn’t hate Jar Jar, but well, I never thought I’d say this, I thought the film sucked.

I found the dialog to be atrocious, I didn’t give a rat’s ass about any of the characters, I thought the acting was flat (except for Ewan MacGregor’s), and there were some massive plot holes that I just couldn’t ignore. It was all I could do to keep from MST3King the damn thing.

The first thing that annoyed me was the giant space battle at the beginning. I kept watching and thinking, “This is just way too much like the stuff in RotJ for my taste.” Then there was the bit when they were reentering the atmosphere in General Grevious’s ship. When the fire ships showed up and started spraying water on the ship, I was like, “No fuckin’ way.”

Next, came the bit with the Wookies. I had hoped that the Wookies would have had a role similar to the Ewoks in RotJ, but instead, they were just kind of stuck in there, and didn’t really seem to do a whole helluvalot.

I didn’t get the bit about Anakin having so much respect for Palpatine or wanting to go over to the “Dark Side” either. And for some reason, the mere mention of the Dark Side in this film just struck me as cheesy as hell.

Mace Windu’s death flat out sucked as well, I thought. Him getting his hand cut off annoyed the piss out of me, and him battling Palpatine, struck me as lame, the way it went down, even if you figure Palpatine was playing that he was too weak to fight off Mace just to get Anakin to turn to the Dark Side. (And Palpatine’s acting went south after this fight.) I also just can’t buy that Yoda would misinterpret a prophecy.

When Obi Wan went to the planet where Gen. Grevious was holed up, I was a bit bothered by the guy telling Obi Wan that they were being held hostage, but I kind of let that slide, figuring that it would be too difficult for Lucas to work out the scene better, given the allotted time of the movie. Still, I couldn’t help but notice that when Obi Wan climbed out of the lake, he was wearing a watch which didn’t appear in any other scene in the movie. . .

The number of gadgets that R2 sprung out bothered me as well, but what really tore it for me, was the lava planet sequence. Now, I’ve been around stuff that’s as hot as lava, and neither Obi Wan or Anakin were sweating very much. Forget about the physical exertion that the two guys were going through, just standing around stuff that’s 3000F+ degrees is enough to get you dripping wet. Just a few minutes of standing around that stuff is enough to make you look like you just stepped out of a shower, when you factor in the amount of physical exertion (and mental, remember when Yoda raised up the X-Wing in ESB, he was pretty tuckered out) both Obi Wan and Anakin should have been drenched, instead, they had a few drops on them, and don’t hand me any of that Jedi mind control crap, you have to shed heat under those circumstances or your brain will bake.

Then there’s Obi Wan talking about Palpatine being emperor. Obi Wan was pretty much out of the loop as to what Palpatine was doing, so it just struck me as totally wrong for him to refer to Palpatine that way. Certainly, Obi Wan knew that Palpatine was up to know good, but referring to the specific title of emperor was a bit much, IMHO.

Of course, Amadala’s death was wrong as well. If you’ll recall in RotJ, Leia remembered her mother, but Luke didn’t. So how the fuck Amadala could die in child birth is beyond me.

Oh, and I should mention that when Anakin knelt before Palpatine, all I could think about was the cock sucking scene in Team America: World Police.

Finally, when Anakin was put into the Vader suit and tore his restraints, I kept waiting for him to say, “Ppputtiin’ onnnn the rrrrittttzzz.” ala Peter Boyle in Young Frankenstein. Also, could someone explain to me what the bloody hell was the point in them building the Death Star? In Star Wars, the impression is given that the Empire has decided to build the thing in order to crush the Rebellion once and for all. Well, in TPM and AotC, it’s pretty much spelled out that the Rebellion is created by Palpatine in order for him to seize power, then in RotS he has the Rebellion shut down, so WTF do they need a Death Star? Plus, it takes them nearly 20 years to build the thing, but the Death Star Mark II only takes from ANH to RotJ to become operational. WTF?

Now, I admit that when I first saw SW, I always pictured the Empire as being like Rome: A society which had started out as a republic, but then became an empire, even though vestiges of the original republic still remained. These were eliminated gradually over time, and the emperor was someone like Caligua, who’d inherited the throne and was completely mad. Vader was the member of a royal house that had gained ascendancy under the new emperor. I was willing to give Lucas the benefit of the doubt about it being a recent thing, until the latest film, that just crapped on it for me.

In looking back, though, I suppose I really shouldn’t be surprised. I always thought of Yoda as being akin to the martial arts masters whom nobody ever fucked with, because they were simply too good. You know, the kind of guy who never fights because everyone knows that they’ll get their ass kicked by him, and he trains his students solely in the mental discipline needed to become a Jedi (which, of course, like samurai, makes them kick ass fighters), so for Yoda to fight Count Dooku, is just wrong, IMHO. Of course, it’s Lucas’s “vision,” but there were cues which just never seemed to be followed up. Perhaps, I was just expecting too much out of the franchise, I don’t know.

Look. I haven’t seen the movie yet and I have studiously avoided the temptation to read friggin’ spoiler threads, and here we have a thread chock-loaded with spoilers. I read the first one and stopped dead, so I really don’t know what your bitch is, but YOU NEED TO WARN PEOPLE IN THE TITLE, toolbag. Geez. How many times do we have to go through this?

You got free dinner and you’re complaining?

ahfuckoff

Uh, dumbass, I don’t give away shit before I say that I’m not going to be boxing spoilers, unless, of course, you’ve somehow missed the fact that Anakin is Darth Vader.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater, I also bitch about shit that’s on broadcast TV for free, even though I’m not paying for it. You’ll notice I don’t curse my friend for paying for the ticket. If I’d have had the cash, I’d have paid for the film myself and still bitched about it. By your logic, one shouldn’t even bitch about annoying commercials, since they’re what make broadcast TV free, and reduce the costs of cable TV.

Even an SDMB slut gets dinner and a show.

The rebellion of Eps. 1-3 is not The Rebellion of the original trilogy. I guess the impression is given in Star Wars that the Death Star was intended to crush The Rebellion, and that may have been Lucas’ thinking at the time, but so what? Death Stars are handy things to have around if you intend to rule the galaxy through fear. Besides, who’s to say that there wasn’t a more or less continuous rebellion between RotS and ANH?

As has been mentioned in at least one other thread, that’s really not so far-fetched. First, the Death Star Mark I was a prototype, it’s supposed to take longer to complete. Second, the Mark II wasn’t complete. Chances are they would want to rush the production of the main gun. Third, maybe Mark I wasn’t built as quickly as possible; at the start of the empire, Palpatine still needs some support from the Senate and the people it represents, and a Death Star is a huge drain on resources. Once the Senate is disbanded and his power is cemented, he can rush production on Mark II, popular opinion be damned.
Incidentally, I was very satisfied with the movie (after having been disappointed in the previous two).

Which reminds me: you didn’t hate Jar-Jar? Dude, seriously. . .

Possible, of course, but I didn’t really buy it in AotC.

Yeah, I know, but it still seems weak to me. I can see the Mark II taking a few less years to build than the Mark I, but not so much that it can be cut down to just a couple (assuming that’s the time difference from ANH and RotJ)

Hey, man, what can I say? I certainly understand why folks don’t like Jar Jar, so it’s not like I’m a fan of the character or anything.

You’re sick of him, this is his last hurrah, just wait until it fades. From this point on, it’ll be other folks fucking up his franchise for him.

Jar Jar never bothered me that much either.

The guidelines for spoiler use in Cafe Society may be found here. They seem to be consistent with what Airman Doors described, and inconsistent with your practice here.

I agree that The Pit has no spoiler policy of its own; I can’t imagine a reasonable interpretation of the rules that would allow you to place untitled spoiler threads here and not in CS… but I am not a mod. Perhaps one will be along to clear up the confusion.

I thought this thread would be about some advertising or merchandizing tie-in that upset you, and I, too, was surprised to find specific film spolier points here.

  • Rick

I’m sorry you didn’t like the film. I do think that some of your reasons are a tad on the picky side. Just as an example, the one above. If you think about it, the prophecy was precisely correct, but it isn’t fulfilled until Return of the Jedi. I, for one, like a good double edged prophecy in a fantasy flick.

THat’s because there WAS no Rebllion in AotC. The Rebellion does not start until after Palpatine takes control and creates an Empire. There was apparently a scene cut from the movie where Padme, Organa and Mon Mothma meet to discuss the beginning of the rebellion.

The entire Separatist Droid army and Clone War was set up by Palpatine to legally take control of the Senate and become Emperor.

YAY, a Star Wars thread in the pit.

I can finaly say, THANK YOU GEORGE.

Thank you for telling us there were only going to to be 3 MORE Star Crap movies. Thank you for finishing them.

I promise not to silently yell at you for all the hooplah.

I promise not to hate you for making my child into one of your space-crap movie obsessed ‘types’ (there were so many other words I wanted to use instead of ‘type’! :D).

Please don’t come back in 20 yrs with another three movies. Pretty please.

I swear I don’t hate you more then Peter Jackson and whoever was responsible for Harry Potter (see I don’t just hate space-crap) I am just glad you have finished with this particular space-crap. Peter Jackson has apparently moved on to giant monkey crap (Oh goody…HOW MANY TIMES MUST KING KONG BE REMADE…please Peter, go back to ‘Heavenly Creatures’ type films) and more Harry Potter is in the making evidently (Yayyyy :() .

Can we please finish with any and all movies that require parts 2, 3, 4 etc???

Ok, I just won’t watch them. :slight_smile:

Pretty easy one here. The first DS had below-standard, pissed-off subcontractors working for them. They kept on featherbedding their contracts and eventually designed in a simple flaw that could destroy the entire station. :wink:

I could not help but roll my eyes when Yoda referred to one of the Wookies as “Chewbacca.” Surely it wasn’t the same “Chewbacca” who was reduced to being second-in-command on some parsec-running smuggler 20 years later?

Oh, wait, this is the Lucasverse - it was. :rolleyes:

[Artie Lang]
Wah! I can’t suspend disbelief long enough to enjoy a science fiction movie! Wah!
[/Artie Lang]

It’s true!

I’m happy you and millions of others enjoy them them though. They seem to make several people very rich and many many more very happy. I just never ever ever want to see one (again).

Hey I like “reality” tv (proof that I have crap taste)…not many people admit that!

It is a good thing we don’t all like the same thing.

Actually, I can, when it’s well written or maintains a pretty good level of internal consistency. However, when it’s filled with giant flaming plot holes, hideous stretches of dialog, and acting worthy of a tree stump, then I start having problems with it. Sorry, I like a little quality in my entertainment.

The Wookies end up getting enslaved, or at least Chewbacca does. He works on a spice (Star Wars name for drug) mine on Kessel, where Han Solo frees him. Thus, Chewbacca owes a life debt to Han, and the rest is history

With any luck, he’ll be daid.

If I’m reading Electric Chaos’ spoiler correctly, Lucas couldn’t be bothered to be creative enough to come up with his own stuff and instead ripped off Dune?

I never liked Lucas anyways, so I can’t say I’m surprised.

Sam

Yes please…well that or dead.

Oh so mean! Just not making space-crap anymore will suit me.

Oh I am too nice. He can be alive and making space-crap, just not the same space-crap PLEASE.