Thoughts on Revenge of the Sith (unboxed spoilers)

Saw it at the midnight showing, and I’ve got to say I loved it.

Anyways, some random things that did occur to me.

I loved the look on Dooku’s face when Palpatine is telling Anakin to kill him. Priceless.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who noticed that this is the second time we see Palpatine sitting in a throne and watching an apprentice and a potential apprentice battle it out.

I also liked the symbolism that Palpatine was literally tearing apart the Senate in his battle with Yoda. Quite apt.

I think pretty much all the big questions got covered in this movie. Only one I can see is how Leia remembers her mother, and I would guess that it’s either Force-type prenatal memories or her thinking Bail’s wife is actually her real mother.

I’m sure there’s more, but I’ve only got 4 hours until I need to be at work.

A couple questions.

First off, when Yoda tells Obi-Wan that the Padawan was killed by a lightsaber and Obi-Wan bends down to get a closer look I could swear that the kid in the foreground moved. Anyone else notice that? I’m not totally sure, but I’m certain I’ll remember to look next time I see the movie.

Second, when Padme was on her way to her burial, did she still look pregnant? If so, that’s pretty clever of everyone involved. But then again, maybe it was just an unflattering dress.

Oh, and a note to George and all the other directors out there…stop with the closeups in melee battles!


Well, they tried to answer the question of why some Jedi can appear again in spirit form, implying that Qui Gon “rediscovered” some secret of immortality and passed it on to Yoda, who in turn passed it on to Kenobi…and yet at the end of ROTJ, Anakin also joins the ranks of the “spirit Jedi”…are we to believe that he, too, “rediscovered” it on his own? I guess so…

That movie was all that with an order of fries and a large Coke.

Overall I’d probably rank ROTS third in series behind ANH and ESB.

Some of my random thoughts:

Yoda’s a badass (thought this during the last movie, but it’s nice to have some confirmation in your life).

Lucas still can’t write romantic dialogue (I physically winced during the early scene between Anakin/Padme in their apartment).

Lucas must’ve given more direction to his actors because ROTS had the best acting of any movie he’s directed that I’ve seen.

I would’ve liked to have seen more of General Grevous (sp?). He was a badass.

After watching this movie I can totally buy Anakin going to the dark side and becoming Darth Vader. After watching the first two movies I had my doubts about whether or not Lucas could pull this off convincingly, but I must admit that if I was in Anakin’s shoes I could potentially see myself doing the same thing.

Merijeek, I can’t answer your first question, but as for your second, I definitely agree that Padme looked pregnant at her funeral.

I just got back from seeing it a little over an hour ago-

Only one complaint- needs more Christopher Lee!

And I do wish Governor Tarkin had more than a distant cameo- they did get a superficially-decent Peter Cushing-type tho.


It doesn’t get any better than that.

It was alright. There were a couple way over the top scenes though. The first being when Sideous is killing Mace Windu…and directly afterwards. The audience actually laughed.

The second was as Darth Vader raised in his robotic form to learn that “he killed Padme.”


Also, they needed James Earl Jones for the voice of Vader. Nobody else could pull it off.

And one more thing. I saw this speculated by someone else in another thread, but who else thinks that Sideous/Palpatine created Anakin by manipulating the midichlorians, with the intention of making the Perfect Apprentice?

I didn’t see the padawan twitch.

I didn’t like the montage ending. Same problem LOTR had. Jesus, just end the movies. We don’t have to go visit the hometown of every blasted character in order to be swept up by the gestalt of the conclusion. The end of Attack of the Clones was far less broad, but still far more powerful. I would have ditched Alderaan, and probably Padme’s funeral.

The first part of the duel with Sidious (the Windu one), when he wipes out the other three Masters, was fairly lame. The rest of that fight was pretty cool.

I was very, very concerned about the turning. I thought the seduction of Anakin was handled very, very well. You could feel him siding with Palpatine as the movie moved forward. Given the way he’d been treated, I didn’t blame him for turning on Windu and the others — except, of course, for Obi-Wan.

Does anyone else think that, on some level, Palpatine truly did care about Anakin? He was very kind to him, even after being revealed as evil. He was very fatherly towards Anakin on Mustaffar.


Was definitely a much better movie than the last two prequels. Although I think I may disagree with Asylum, I’m wondering if the better acting we see is due to less directing from Lucas. He’s pretty good with story concepts, but I’ve never been that impressed with the films where he’s directed. Although I’ll admit I haven’t yet seen THX-1138 (it’s coming up on Netflix, though) and it’s been a long while since I’ve seen American Graffiti.

It was cute how 3PO got a memory wipe, but R2 didn’t.

The construction of the Vader suit was almost worth the price of admission by itself. And Anakin’s scarred body was even worse off that I could’ve thought. :shudder:

The lightsaber battles were most impressive. Sadly, although I tried every jedi mind trick in the book, bladder pressure forced me away from my seat for part of the Anakin/Obi-wan fight. And I missed Yoda’s escape through the senate tunnels. But even so, that was probably the fastest piss I’ve ever taken.

I was hoping for an actual appearance by Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon.

After seeing the film, I’m sticking to my theory (formulated after reading the novelization) that Sidious influenced the “virgin birth” of Anakin. The power he described to Anakin included manipulating midichlorians to cheat death and create life. I think Maul and Dooku were always just placeholders for Sidious’s engineered apprentice, fathered by the Force itself.

I think the Jedi were pretty dense about the interpretation of “bring balance to the Force”. Even while Obi-wan was fighting Anakin/Vader at the end, the idea that culling the Jedi order down to balance against the two Sith just seemed to bypass him.

Finally I think the storytelling and characterization in the novel was much better than the film. The novel really pulled you inside the heads of the characters, especially during the fight scenes. Although that’s probably an unfair comparison, since that kind of introspection is really hard to pull off in a movie.

Breif thoughts before going to bed…

Great action sequences, from the opening space battle to the final showdowns.

Though the Anakin/Padme bits still make you drop your head to your hand, Kenobi and Palpatine keep you interested in the characters.

Yoda dropping Palpatine’s two red-robed guards was priceless.

Just got back from the west coast midnight show.

Thought it was great. The betrayal of the Jedi was one of the best scenes I’ve seen in a long time. The scenes with Palpatine converting Anakin were incredible. I’m gonna agree with everyone else that the romantic stuff between Anakin and Padme were horrid.

Yoda is such a badass, it’s not even funny. As Murcielago just said, Yoda dropping the two red-robed Imperial Gaurds was awesome. As was his survival of the

Personally, I liked the allusions/duplicates/whatever to the original trilogy, both the Anakin/Dooku fight mirroring the Luke/Vader battle from ROTJ and Owen and Beru watching the twin sunrise a la Luke in ANH. Too many clouds for Tattooine though.

Yeah, Padme was definitely pregnant in the funeral.

Don’t know if I’m alone on this one, but it might well have had the best visual effects I’ve ever seen, especially in the opening space battle.

I could go on about how much I was digging the evolution of the spacecraft into what we’re all familiar with from the original three, or how cool Chewie and Tarkin’s ultra-brief cameos were, or Obi-Wan taking down Grevious was, but I’m off to bed, try to sleep before my final in seven hours.

And honestly, when it comes to studying or the premiere of Star Wars…No question. Finals come around every semester, but there’s only ONE first showing.

Third paragraph was supposed to say something about his survival of the Clone betrayal. Wish there was an edit function…

Yes we did! This is not only the last Star Wars movie that had to tie up a lot of loose ends, and that was almost the only way to achieve them, but they also had to set up the 20 year gap until Episode IV.

The montage was a prerequisite, and handled perfectly.

Actually, he was - check out IMDB’s complete cast list.

I’ll type up a longer response when I’m more lucid, but for now I’m chipping in to say that I didn’t think the Anakin/Padme stuff was that bad. Or, rather, that half of it wasn’t that bad. Hayden Christensen is a much better actor than I’d given him credit for, and he really holds up in the Scenes of Saccharine Drek. When Padme tells him she’s pregnant (terrible delivery by Ms. Portman across the board, alas), he goes through a whole range of “I made a baby!” “Holy crap, this is going to screw our lives up like none other!” “We made a baby!” “Jesus Christ, what are we going to do?!” and ending up on “I love this woman so much” and then sweeping her into this great embrace. When they give Christensen fewer lines and more face-acting time, he’s golden.

I suppose I’m the only one who thinks so . . . but, sucks, it does.

This movie, to me, is the worst of the prequels, because while the first was nigh-unwatchable, it had a plot reminiscent of a breakfast cereal commercial. The second had no plot to speak of. But this one - it actually had a good story behind it. High melodrama, in my opinion. And despite every other flaw, it could have been good if the two leads had been capable of carrying off their roles. But they weren’t. I couldn’t sense any chemistry whatsoever between Christensen and Portman. And it’s ironic that given the crappiness of these two leads that they had the youngest (second-youngest? Was Jodi Foster younger?) Academy Award nominee ever in the cast - with no lines.

I tried to sit and enjoy it, and some piece of awful dialogue ruined scenes for me time and again. Or some other idiocy: the Wookiee are supposed to be primitive - so they fight with blasters shaped like crossbows. Anakin and Obi Wan are fighting several feet above actively-churning lava. Not only were their bodily fluids not boiled off, but Obi Wan wasn’t even visibly sweaty, and Anakin wasn’t either until one of the final close-ups. Count Dooku and Chancellor Palpatine were hanging out in the most exposed section of the ship during an enormous space battle, and when the ship crashed into a planet, burning off about half of it in the process, that little spire somehow survived.

I also wonder how the dead baby Jedi made their way into the movie. It happened a few minutes after the scene in which all the Jedi died (one of the few with any pathos, possibly because no one was talking.) Despite my liking that scene, apparently the sadness didn’t stick with the audience in the theater, who were laughing moments later as Yoda fought off his attempted killers. I’m thinking - test audiences didn’t feel sad enough? Let’s throw in some dead children.

I was also rather irritated by the unsubtleness of some of the dialogue - Anakin actually says, “You are either with me - or you are my enemy.” Gosh, that’s sure something to think about. I wonder what you could have been referencing, George Lucas.

It was sad to see Ewan McGregor valiently struggling against the bad dialogue. Thank goodness Samuel L. Jackson had so much screen time; he’s one of those actors with a presence that works no matter what he’s saying.

By the end, I was expecting no major character to have any hands left. How many behandings must there be in a movie? If it had happened once in Episodes 1-3, it would have been an interesting parallel to Luke’s hand in the original trilogy. But every other seen involved a hand dropping into an abyss. Is this some hamhanded (so to speak) attempt at symbolism? Did Lucas think he was establishing some sort of motif?

That’s all I can think of to hate the movie for, at the moment. I have to admit that my irritation was enhanced by the idiot sitting next to me, whose name I believe is Gaspy McGaspalot. Gaspy, it seems, somehow missed the first trilogy. Because every time anything happened, she gasped in shock. Every five seconds. Apparently, she wasn’t aware that Anakin Skywalker was going to turn evil. Or that the Chancellor wasn’t nice. Or that Darth Vader wore a black suit. Or that he had a Death Star in Episode IV.

Plus, in the scene where Anakin wakes up from a nightmare, did anyone notice the jewelry Padme was wearing, and the strings of pearls sewed onto her nightgown? WTF? She would have strangled herself in her sleep!

I liked a couple bits. I liked when R2D2 squirted oil at the droids and killed them. And I thought CGI-Yoda finally looked pretty good. And I did like the overall story, even if a competent director could have done so much more with it.

Ahh, well, at least I still have my (non-updated) videos of the original trilogy . . .

If I had to nitpick things I didn’t like, I’d have to go with the fact that we still don’t really know why Leia has memories of Padme and Luke does not.

Other than that, my brother and I were wondering why Palpatine’s face got all messed up. We were speculating before the movie that maybe he was using the Force to keep his face normal looking most of the time, which weakened him, which was why nobody noticed that he was an ultra-powerful Sith lord. Turns out it was his own Force Lightning.

I felt they could’ve used a few more minutes in Anakin’s actual turn, but it still worked as it was done. I did, however, love the way that Palpatine was telling him (telepathically, no less) that if he died, Anakin would have no way to save Padme. Then, after he turned he was all, “Well, I don’t actually know how to keep people from dying, but I’m sure we can figure it out together.” So, so evil.

I’m sure I’ll have more later. But definately add me to the list of people who thought this movie kicked serious ass.

Doesn’t she just remember her adoptive mother?

In ROTJ, Luke asks Leia, “What do you remeber about your mother - your real mother?”. I think this pretty clearly establishes that both Luke and Leia know she was adopted. I don’t think we can chalk this up to anything but a big, gaping hole of a continuity error on Lucas’s part.

I just realized as I was typing this that when Mark Hamill speaks this line, I think he sounds a little like Hayden Christensen.

Speaking of whom, he was much better this time around. I saw him emote! And I really liked Ian MacDiarmid’s performance, especially the scene at the “Opera.” He goes a little over the top once he’s in full-on Emperor mode, but I thought he was really good.

You know, call me a nerd, but Ewan McGregor almost brought tears to my eyes in his last scene with Anakin/Vader. I thought he did anguish very well.

Couldn’t she also just plain mistakenly think so because of grief? You can’t take a character’s words so literally - movie characters are not reliable narrators any more than people in real life are. People have bizarre beliefs in real life all the time. It’s not necessarily a continuity error when the same thing happens in a movie.

I think that all of the prequels lacked souls. By that, I mean I never got a sense of genuine comraderie between any of the characters that was on any level comparable to the chemistry that we got to see in episodes 4-6 (especially TESB). Sure, the effects are way better, the lightsaber battles are cooler, but I couldn’t really bring myself to care about these characters that much. Maybe part of it was knowing that Anakin would become Vader, but I never thought that his relationship with Padme was a deep, mature love — it still seemed like teenage angst and stilted dialogue — which is fine if that’s what Lucas was going for, I guess.

I thought that Anakin’s conversion was actually done a little too abruptly. I know that they’ve been building up to it through the previous movies, but he goes from being loyal to the Jedi to vowing to destroy them in about a ten-minute span.

I thought that the scenes of the Jedi being taken out were just wrong. We have by now gotten used to seeing a single Jedi with a lightsaber taking on dozens of battle droids and effortlessly turning aside a barrage of blaster attacks and using the force and so on, but the clone troopers are able to get the drop on them and take them out with hardly any resistance? And don’t the Jedi have some kind of Jedi equivalent of Spider-sense or whatever? You mean that they were taken completely unawares? That didn’t play out the way I hoped it would.

Yoda gives up because he fell? He tells Obi-wan that they must succeed in destroying the Sith, but he runs away after taking a little tumble? He has the ability, via the Force, to manipulate giant pieces of machinery but he can’t slow his own descent? What, if the Jedi willingly jump down from a great height they’re OK, but if they fall from that same height, they’re screwed?

A good movie, but not great, IMO. I’ll take TESB over any of the prequels.