I don’t mean this in a nasty way but I think you completely misunderstood the theme of the movie if you think that. One of the points of the movie is the Force isn’t about lineages and dynasties. It’s everywhere and while some can harness it better than others it belongs to everyone. And more generally, anyone and everyone can change the world if you just pick a side and try.
Fuuuuuuuuuuck I really don’t want Abrams directing the final movie.
I think I am probably going to end up having to treat IX as the “that didn’t actually happen” movie and just wait for Johnson’s trilogy he’s apparently going to be making later on.
Treat Williams is still around as well, right?
http://www.inafarawaygalaxy.com/2014/09/which-star-wars-film-did-treat-williams.html
This feels like the movie that brings the Protestant Reformation to the Jedi, with Luke playing the role of Martin Luther-- the Jedi religion’s way of doing things has become so rotten and worthless, but the Force is good, so let’s get back to creating a less rotten way of interacting with it. Now figure it out Rey.
It isn’t more honest. It’s just easier to understand and more seductive because it is instant gratification.
That, and how she kisses.
The only thing lacking in that analogy is the part where Martin Luther’s father wipes out the catholic church.
Well, and light sabers. 
To RickJay, Mahaloth, and Quimby:
Sorry, but I’d be willing to bet real money that we haven’t seen the last of the boy with the broomstick. He even has a name and merits a page in the Last Jedi Visual Dictionary: Temiri Blagg
You’re attributing far too much subtlety to Rian Johnson and the other writers. They would never randomly show a loveable character who is a force user and who supports the Resistance without coming back to him. It also gives them another opportunity to use Canto Bight, now that it’s all been set up. They are not going to drop all this.
Luke is now out of the picture (except as a ghost), so obviously they need a new hopeful young padawan character. Everything about that last scene is designed to remind us of Luke in the original Star Wars. Compare Luke in the binary sunset scene with Temiri Blagg in the final scene of the Last Jedi. Exact same music, exact same situation.
Temiri is the new Luke - mark my words!
I’m willing to bet, but probably not real money. Having said that, I am not going to go so far to say we will literally never see the boy at all. I would, however, bet that the boy is an extremely minor character and not anything we would describe as major or significant.
EVERYONE on screen gets a full name and an entry in the Wookieepedia. It’s a Star Wars thing. There are minor characters in Star Wars whose life story is more detailed online that people who have been kings of actual countries.
There’s three chances in four we will never see Canto Bight in a Star Wars movie again.
God, I hope not. That section of the movie was the worst of all. It was completely stupid, as opposed to the marginally stupid rest of the movie. :dubious:
SWMBO and I saw it last night. Great movie, and it laid to rest several theories that we had made up.
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Kylo Ren was going to be a double agent. Han was dying from something and he and Kylo set up the assassination to get Kylo close to the Big Bad and take him out. Nope.
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Somehow or another, Leia was going to wind up being the last Jedi. Nope.
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Kylo and Luke have a big fight, but neither wins. Luke takes Kylo out in the last movie, starts teaching Rey seriously. Nope.
Finally saw it last night. Overall, I was a little less than satisfied. The acting was excellent. The plot and many of its branches were rather weak. The slow speed space chase? The sidequest to find a codebreaker? Rose?
My worst fear was that Luke would turn to the dark side, which would have made me give up everything Star Wars. My 2nd worst fear was that he would die, which I knew was probably going to happen, but it better be for a damn good reason.
Perhaps “Childish” wasn’t the word I should have used. “Child-like” maybe? I’m talking about the sense of wonder and excitement from a classic good vs. evil story, unburdened by “modern” cynicism and reality. Children can appreciate it, and so can adults if they turn off their cynicism for a bit.
I’m not talking about poop jokes and slapstick.
Holdo and Leia’s talks to Poe about blowing stuff up not saving the day, and Luke to Rey about not taking on the First Order with a laser sword are very good points, completely true oftentimes in our world, but exactly wrong in Star Wars. A rag-tag band of heroes blowing stuff up and one guy with a laser sword DID save the day at least twice in the OT. And we cheered for it, and were inspired by it. It’s fantasy, but it’s Star Wars.
We saw it this past weekend but I didn’t post then.
I liked it, but something didn’t quite click for me. For reference, I quite liked “The Force Awakens” and loved “Rogue One.”
This one had so many things I admired but somehow the whole was less than the sum of its parts.
Loved Snoke dying, and couldn’t agree less with those who want backstory. Backstory on a bad guy is how we got the prequel nonsense that took a great villain and turned him into a whiny snot.
Loved Rey’s lack of vaunted pedigree. I hate the idea that everyone has to be related. If it makes people feel better, then can imagine she’s like Anakin shudder and her father is the force. No reason anyone would have to know that.
The trip to the casino, like someone mentioned upthread, felt like a MMORPG task.
I strongly appreciated the way they handled Luke. Luke was always temperamental, impulsive, and sulky. I like that they didn’t try to paper over that and instead went with something that played upon those attributes.
I also liked that they upended the idea that the hotshot guy is always going to be so much smarter than the seasoned people around him.
So, I should have loved it. I just didn’t. But I didn’t hate it. And I feel like one of the few people who found Rose completely irritating.
You’re probably not wrong because Star Wars is a hungry beast that needs to be fed and the creators can be lazy but I am pretty sure that was not Rian Jonson’s intention at all.
Because the Star Wars Universe doesn’t stop producing force sensitive people.
In Star Wars Rebels, the Inquisitors were tasked with rounding up force sensitive babies, and we have no idea what they were doing with them. Hell, that could even be Snoke’s origins, that he was your basic whateverthehellraceheis with force abilities and was part of that baby collecting order (wait, “The First Order”?) when the Empire fell. They’d still have their leader, their organization, their ships, their bases for this training, and a fuckton of force sensitive people they’ve trained.
Which may also be the Knights of Ren origins.
So yeah, even after Snoke and Luke are dead, there’s still a bunch of those people around (such as Maz), the universe is still cranking them out, and somewhere, people are going to keep trying to gather them in organizations, even after Rey and Kylo are long dead.
Hell, if force sensitive people suddenly began appearing on Earth, there would be 200+ new organizations, most mandatory national Orders, within a month.
I don’t think that’s a settled thing. I suspect Johnson was giving future sequel makers some material to work with, things they may choose to use or ignore. I will be surprised if he is a character is Episode IX, unless he is one of Rey’s new training class to revive the Jedi. If he becomes a major character, it will be down the road.
The more I think about it, the more the Luke storyline makes sense to me. Think about it – after RotJ, he scoured the galaxy and found a dozen promising Force-sensitive kids, grew to love them all as he’s training them to be the new representatives of a vaunted mythical line, and then all of a sudden one of them turns to the dark side, slaughters half of the kids and takes the rest with him. And Luke, quite reasonably, blames himself. Of course that would have an incredibly profound effect on him! And considering that The Force Awakens said that he’s been missing for decades, that means that even before The Last Jedi he had removed himself from the gameboard, even as the First Order rose to power and killed billions or more.
The only way all that makes sense is if Luke is incredibly reluctant to get back in the game, including back into using the Force and (especially) training a new Jedi.
I know lots of fans (including me, at least partially) wanted him to heroically get back into the struggle immediately, training Rey and then taking the fight to the First Order, but that wouldn’t have fit with the TFA storyline.
Saw it a second time, this time in 3D (which I definitely enjoyed… spaceship turrets rotating around in 3D and other mechanical details like that are where it really shines, and it just made a visually compelling movie even moreso). (YMMV obviously).
I was able to nail down why I missed on my first watching when it was that the bad codebreaker (anyone know what the character’s name was?) betrayed them. I had thought he was planted from the beginning, and was betraying them all along, but I definitely now agree that he just betrayed them after they were already captured.
BUT… that makes no sense. Not that he would betray them, but that he would get the reward he did.
“We have captured you breaking into our most sensitive area. We are going to execute you!”
“Wait, I learned some information from these rebellion people! Is it worth something to you?”
“Keep talking…”
“Well, before I tell you, you have to promise to set me free, give me a huge amount of money, and give me a starship”
“Here’s a different offer. If you tell us, we will NOT torture you to death.”
“OK, excellent counteroffer, here’s what I know…”
Anyhow, still flawed but compelling after two viewings.