Doing so would have deprived us of the reunion scene between Luke and Leia in the third act, which was well worth the price of admission.
How do you feel about slavery? Because the Jedi were completely and utterly unconcerned with the topic, and just rolled with the flow when they encountered it in the prequels, and presumably other times. They were so unconcerned with slavery that they didn’t even think of rescuing Anakin’s mother from it, why would anyone object to it? OK, you can argue that the slavery was where they don’t have jurisdiction and they respect that, but…
How do you feel about the sanctity of your own mind, and your right to make your own decisions? Because the Jedi mind control people around them routinely and on a whim. I’m not talking about stuff like Obi-Wan making the stormtroopers lose interest in the droids, I’m talking about all the scenes in the prequels where the Jedi casually mind-controlled people near them, with little to no justification (like forcing the guy to quit smoking). It was so common that people routinely joked about it, and force-resistant aliens always make a point of mentioning it. Also, if you use the defense of slavery that it’s ‘out of their jurisdiction’ so they can’t do anything about it, how do you explain that they’re also willing to mind control people quite casually in areas that are out of their jurisdiction?
Speaking of jurisdiction, what about a galaxy-spanning secret police force that reads minds, abducts young children and brainwashes them to abandon their families, and is accountable to no one but themselves? Who can summarily execute people with no judicial process and are only accountable for their actions to other people who act the same way. I mean, yeah their ‘light side’ propaganda is good, but if you describe what the Jedi actually do, they’re a scary authoritarian institution that doesn’t respect the individual rights of non-jedi. I don’t think that’s ‘safe’ or ‘hard to take too far’, it seems very unsafe and taken way too far to me.
I think Lucas was just trying to make the Jedi ‘cool space monks with lasers,’ but he actually managed to make the light side look about as scary as the dark - which unintenionally set up the Star Wars universe as a much less good/evil place and laid the way to the current movies looking for something other than the unending Jedi/Sith conflict.
Hence Luke’s feeling that the order needs to die.
Yes things like that were what I meant when I said the Jedi in the prequels were inept and detached.
Your points here are where the Borgishness comes in. But on the Light side the road to distressing things is long. On the Dark Side the road is very very short.
Precisely. I don’t know about anyone else, but when I say I want some Snoke backstory, all I’m asking for is a couple of lines, not a whole movie. Not a weepy flashback to his tortured childhood. Just a little explanation of where he came from, and how he came to power. And how he came into contact with Ben Solo and turned him to the dark side in the first place. How he got so scarred up would be a bonus.
In general, the movie could have been vastly improved with just a line or two here or there… Maybe cranking them out once a year* is too fast.
*(and now, even faster, with Solo coming in less than 6 months)
Fair enough. Maybe she should have Force-evaporated at the same time as Luke because of the “twins” thing?
So what are they going to do in the next film?
Leia Organa was
killed on her way
back to her home
planet. _________
The next film will be 10-20 years in the future. Leia will be dead of old age.
But managed and kept in balance …
Look, this is not too subtle. The current formulation is moving away from Good v Evil to a Yin and Yang/Qi view of a complete whole, divergent elements in harmony, anthropomorphized as Rey and Ren/Force, just as much as it is moving from an institutional view of faith controlled by high priests to a divine that is accessible to all.
Up until the 19th century, it was assumed that, for light to reach us from the sun and the other stars, there had to be some medium through which is was propagated, the way sound moves through air. It was assumed that there must be some material, one we couldn’t yet detect, that filled the space between planets - they called it “aether.” As the field of astronomy matured, more and more evidence piled up that this “aether” didn’t exist. Science needed a new approach to the question. Eventually, it was figured out that there’s literally nothing between the planets - it’s all vacuum.
That’s what’s being suggested here. Not that one person is going to fundamentally alter the way that the Force functions, but rather, the way people understood the Force up until now has been flawed, and a different approach is necessary to figure out what the Force really is.
This is yet another example of so many “cutesy” things that didn’t need to be added, and makes no sense. In The Force Awakens, when Chewie is carrying Finn off the Falcon, and puts him on the transport, Rey and Poe are literally walking together right behind Chewbacca.
And something I can’t understand is, how is anyone able to steer the freighter than is used to ram the New Order at light speed? Isn’t that the same ship that had it’s bridge destroyed, killing Ackbar giving us Princess General Leia Organa Solo Mega Maid?
One Youtube video brought up something I didn’t think of…Last Jedi picks up literally right where Force Awakens ends. Force Awakens ends with Rey watching Kylo kill Han Solo and then seriously wounding Finn. Why then is she so willing to forget that and intent on turning him to the good side?
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the concept of the Jedi not owning the force…and nobody does. At what point in any movie do the Jedi or the Sith claim to own the Force, or ever try to deny anyone else from using it? Does anyone using the force make other people not able to? It sounds like a profound statement, but it really doesn’t counter anything presented in the other films.
Were there gravity bombs in Eps. 4-6?
To a point you’re right; e.g. the movies are better for having loud, fiery explosions in space. I can overlook the occasional blunder but at some point science has to matter, right? It’s hard to stay in the movie if people were walking on the outside of the ships in t-shirt and shorts?
And yet the most recent science leans towards a LACK of vacuous nothingness.
It leans towards dark matter.
Perhaps the conveyance that allows the Force to be everywhere?
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That was a metaphor. I wasn’t describing how the Force literally works in the SW movies, I was poinitng out that there’s a difference between our understanding of what a thing is, and the thing itself. Even if the latter is entirely static, the former can change dramatically.
Also, that’s not what dark matter is.
That was not a freighter; it was a huge Calamari cruiser, a capital warship as big as an aircraft carrier. It is hardly a stretch to think the vessel has a redundant command station.
Saw it again tonight, and I like it even more now. Visually stunning, great acting, great story, good dialogue, even if a little too jokey at times. And despite others’ opinions, I really like the Canto Bight stuff. It wouldn’t be Star Wars without a setting with a bunch of wacky aliens doing shit that doesn’t actually advance the plot.
Noticed one thing that bugged me. When the Millenium Falcon arrived on the salt planet, Rey told Chewie to draw the fighters away from the Resistance, so he did. Then they cut to a shot of Poe (I think, maybe Finn), saying “She did it, she drew the fighters away!” Seriously? Yet again Chewie gets no respect. Why would anyone think “she” did anything when it’s Chewie’s ship and he’s piloting the damn thing?!
And I still can’t figure out why Admiral Purple Hair is wearing an evening gown and Poe has never seen her before.
The killed off Like, but Leia survived the entire movie. I was not expecting that. I wonder how her absence in episode IX will be explained.
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Well, it wasn’t like they could bring her back in for reshoots. I’m guessing Ep IX starts with her already dead, since there’s probably going to be a larger time skip than there was between TFA and TLJ (which seemed lik no more than a day or two).
Maybe he’s referring to the Falcon as “she?”
I loved the movie, but the casino was much, much too Earth-ish, IMO. Basically liked like Monaco or San Marino in space. They could and should have been a lot more creative and original.
I agree with the first part.
As to the second part? My remarks on dark matter were a metaphor.
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