No its not canon. Without it, their plan makes less sense. It was just blind luck that Luke didn’t join the Academy.
"Bear in mind, btw, that Yoda and Obi-Wan’s plan did, in the end, work. "
And what was the plan? Yoda eats grubs while Quigon teaches Obiwan how to Force Ghost?
Here’s something i just thought of and its not a hole cause im going to make a valid snark. Obiwans race must age quickly. Does Ewan look like Alec Guiness right now?
If that isn’t clear enough: enough time hasn’t quite passed since ROTS for Luke to grow up, but Ewan McGregor isn’t going to be an old man for quite awhile.
Here’s an interesting bit of trivia i just found out. Mark Hamill is three years older now then Guiness was during Star Wars.
In the link, the “war-crimes” theory is not presented as a reasonable hypothesis, but a last-ditch, desperate attempt to think of some way it can all fit.
Thanks for posting that link, Sir T-Cups, it does confirm that I’m not the first to realize that the “Holdo maneuver” does present a significant problem / inconsistency.
But then I wonder how the ships got close enough to do damage in the first place? Not necessarily on the SSD, but even the original Death Star didn’t have any kind of shield to it, would terrestrial ships just bounce off of nothing eventually when they got close enough?
I thought the reason Mazz recommended that particular codebreaker was not that he was the only one; he was the best one they could trust. DJ had the skills, but got caught, then sold Finn and Rose out. That’s why they found him in low security lock-up, rather than making a killing on the casino floor.
No. Holdo was right to keep the information secret from Poe.
Once Poe knew the truth he, sent the super secret plans to the enemy ship. That’s incompetence. She was right to keep Poe in the dark. Her only mistake was telling him anything.
The Death Star does have shields. Just not the sort that can stop small single-man fighters. It’s mentioned in the movie that they get shaken up going through them.
There’s also clearly different types of shields. The exhaust port is ‘ray shielded’ so proton torpedoes are required. I’d assume the shields of the Death Star are sufficient to deal with any capital ships and blasters from a distance but, since the empire doesn’t consider small ships a real threat, they’re no prepared to deal with them without dogfights.
That POV totally undermines the notion that we should care who wins or loses this conflict.
If the good guys aren’t all that good, and the bad guys aren’t all that bad, and the difference between them isn’t going to make life better or worse for more than a handful of people, then there’s no ‘there’ there.
No, that’s not accurate. She didn’t tell him anything, he saw the transports being fueled and even THEN she wouldn’t say why. It was her stubborn stupidity that caused the deaths of hundreds of people…actually, twice, since she could have done the lightspeed ram before the First Order ship blew up half the transports.
This fanwank has going for it that it is sophisticated and highly realistic to our real world. Going against it is that it utterly contradicts the in-universe world we are shown. You might as well say all the struggles in all the movies are pointless, and the sparks of rebellion we see at the end of TLJ are futile. I don’t think that’s what Lucasfilm (a Disney company) has in mind.
But was any of that actually stated in the original 1977 film? Not fair to hold it to account for later retcons.
Well I suppose when you’re down to a rebellion who’s numbers can fit into a Corellian YT-1300f light freighter, an MC85 Command Cruiser becomes rather ostentatious, perhaps even decadent.
Just a small nitpick about cloaking technology. Just after they lose the Falcon in TESB they say: “They can’t have disappeared. No ship that small has a cloaking device.” Which means, although we have not seen it used before, at least as far back as the OT cloaking technology has been part of the Star Wars universe. There was no need to discover new tech for the scene in the TLJ to work. Sure, we don’t know that the transports used are big enough to have cloaking devices, but there is not reason to believe they can’t possibly have it and that it was just added for this film.
So… she refused to tell the secret plan to the guy who ended up beaming said plan directly to the enemy… and that’s her fault for not just telling him in the first place?
Man, the military is sure different in the Star Wars universe!
Poe did tell them. He beamed the plans over to his crew on the FO fleet without the least thought to information security. Which pretty much justifies her reluctance to tell him.
As for the rest…when they didn’t know about the hyperspace tracking device, the most likely explanation for the tracking is a spy. And their plan did indeed rest on the FO being complacent and overconfident. (It was being commanded by Hux, and taking advantage of the enemy commanders flaws is a long military tradition). So the best possible thing for the plan was the spy reporting “they have no plan, they are without hope” to Hux.
Also, Poe had not exactly made an impression as a fellow to trust with sensitive information at that point.
I sort of got the impression that Holdo came from a traditional military background, and expected her crew to respect that the officers will keep information security during a crisis. And know that loose lips sink (detonates) ships. Whereas most of the resistance was actually zealots and individualists.
Anyway, what she failed to realize on was Poes mind-numbing incompetence. But her instincts were good.
Actually, that’s inaccurate as well. He didn’t beam anything to the enemy, Rose and Finn were stupid enough to let some criminal they’d just met hear the transmission and then he predictably betrayed them. The two of them were just as stupid as Holdo, but with more reason since they’re both low-level nobodies and she’s an admiral.
I watch things all the time where I care about the outcome because I care about the characters who are on one side and don’t care about the characters on another side. So while I agree that the stakes would be lower, I don’t think that has to mean that the story isn’t worth telling.
