There is precedent for that: in Return of the Jedi, Obi Wan sat on a log.
They could set up a government with an Emperor wielding executive power, tempered by a Senate with legislative power. Lots of precedent in the setting for those sorts of hybrid dynastic/democratic systems.
At any rate, Kylo and Ren can’t have joined forces at the end of this movie: that’s the end of the whole story. They need to save that (if that’s where they’re going with it) for the end of the third movie.
Snoke was one of the big mysteries from FA, turns out he was just a bitch. Even more disappointing than Darth Maul, at least he got the best lightsaber battle of the movies.
For what it’s worth, my point wasn’t that she’d say yes; it was that he should’ve made that offer, instead of saying, naw, let’s not interrupt all the rebel-killing.
Yes, I guess. They also stand on the ground…??? Have any of them interacted with a person before? A hug? High-five?
I am second guessing. For the reason you mentioned as well as Kylo asking REN (twice, I think) if he had seen the same vision.
I think the rebellion’s new plan should be:
Whenever we have a small group of ships out there being pursued by the Empire, let’s keep a couple of spare ships with warp drives piloted by disposable droids in the fleet who we can then have kamikaze the Star Destoyers.
Who are these “Knights of Ren” everyone keeps mentioning? I don’t remember the name ever coming up.
Just got back from seeing The Last Jedi. Was really looking forward to it and avoided all spoilers, but ugh what was that? Too slow, too much forced humor, too much drama, and it seems like they are trying to distance themselves from the classic Star Wars universe.
Gripes ahead. The fate of the galaxy lies with about 20 ships total? Why did we endure a 2.5 hour space chase, even if their ships were slower than the rebels are you telling me the Empire couldn’t figure out any way to catch up when other ships were jumping in and out of the chase at will? They had fighters, they could send a ship or two ahead via hyperspace to head them off. It made no sense and yet was a central part of the plot. And why is fuel suddenly such a big deal, I don’t remember it ever being mentioned in other Star Wars movies. I’m thinking it was a convenient plot device.
Half of the movie was Ren trying to convince Luke to do something. It was almost a drawn-out remake of Luke and Yoda in Empire Strikes Back, including the master being reluctant to train and a visit to a nearby place strong with the dark side of the force.
How did the bad guys get such stupid and incompetent leaders? Kylo Ren is a whiny indecisive leader and General Hux is just plain stupid. Yeah Poe messing with Hux about not being able to hear him was a little funny, but how could his subordinates have any confidence in him after that awkward exchange? The best thing Hux did is almost shoot Kylo Ren.
Nothing was answered about Snoke, he was just a big mutilated guy in a throne room that played mind games on Kylo and Rey and levitated Rey for a while. And died in a really stupid way that he should have seen coming.
The entire subplot of Finn and the engineering girl made no real difference to the plot whatsoever. The casino, what the fuck was that? Were they trying to hire James Bond in Casino Royale?
Phasma’s apparent death was pointless and anticlimactic.
I had a bad flashback of child Anakin pod racing in The Phantom Menace when they showed the horselike creatures and their child keepers. That was reinforced even more by the child with the broom at the end.
Why the purple-haired admiral just simply tell Poe her plan, assuming she even had a plan? I’m thinking she didn’t have a plan. And hyperspacing through another spaceship, if that would work so well in the Star Wars universe is she the first person to ever think of it or something? Seems like it would have been a great concept for drones, but we’ll probably never see it done again.
The CGI was a mixed bag, some of it looked quite fake IMO.
What the fuck happened to Luke at the end? He just willed himself to vanish? Too much exertion from astrally projecting himself to distract Kylo Ren?
Now we have about 10 rebellion left? Is the next movie going to be Star Wars Resistance?
But the movie wasn’t totally bad, I loved seeing Luke, the Falcon, R2, C3PO, Leia, and Chewie. I didn’t really like the cute little merchandising creatures on Luke’s planet, but the scene with one of the creatures staring doe-eyed at Chewie eating one of their kind was pretty funny. Best line of the movie was when the Falcon was drawing off the TIE fighters from the base attack and someone remarks that the Empire “hates that ship.”
I also wonder of what Kylo Ren said about Rey’s parents was true. I guess she would “feel” whether she was Luke or Han’s child, so maybe Kylo was telling the truth.
Overall 5/10 for me. Better than the prequels, but slow and pretty much a mess, and not a good Star Wars movie. Rogue One was much better.
Just went and watched it tonight.
BIG SIGH
It was a good movie, entertaining and fully worth the price of a sunday afternoon matinee admission price imho.
This new storyline with Ren and Rey is for the next generation of Star Wars fans without doubt.
When the news broke that Disney had bought Star Wars, the first thing I said to my wife was that they would de-canonize the expanded universe, and then mine it for story material. Ren and Rey, to me, strongly resemble a set of twins from the EU who were extremely strong, possibly force conceived? polar opposites in eternal conflict. I tried to look up the articles on wookiepedia that I had originally read about them, but it seems like there have been changes there that make looking up legends characters difficult. Maybe if I could remember more specific details I would have been more successful.
Anyway, they have one movie left to wrap up the Skywalker Saga with Leia. I may or may not go see it, right now probably not. All the foreshadowing at the end of this movie (the slave boy who force grabs the broom) is just setting up a story line that seems like it will be unoriginal, uninspired and bland (except where Disney decides to inject the cartoonish racial/ethnic stereotypes they seemed to like so much in R1).
ETA I gotta disagree with you contro-z rogue 1 was a freaking disaster and waste. You sound like me when I saw rogue 1
They were only mentioned once in TFA and not at all here, but it’s some sort of order that Kylo Ren is the leader of. I assume it’s made up of Luke’s padawans that Ben recruited after Luke turned on him.
Heh. You know what may have been a little more interesting? If they’d emphatically reversed the whole Luke-and-Yoda thing, for Rey.
Like, remember how Luke truly craved Jedi lessons – and so did what Yoda said, in hopes of gaining sweet training-montage powers; and then he broke off his training, leaving Yoda behind, to instead go try to save the day personally?
So imagine Luke doing what he did in this movie because he was kind of trying to play Yoda’s role – offering to impart Jedi lessons to Rey, who in turn does whatever he says and gets sweet training-montage skills – except, again, imagine them emphasizing that she doesn’t give a crap about that: imagine that she doesn’t especially want to master Jedi techniques, and she’s not going to leave to handle things personally; she just wants the great Luke Skywalker to un-retire, and full stop.
So, yes, granted, if the only way he’ll come out of his shell is if she goes through the motions of acting like that hick farm kid who wanted to learn from the master, well, then, okay; she’ll do a handstand while trying to levitate rocks, or whatever else Luke says is the key to unlocking mind powers – but solely because she wants to keep him talking, while thinking to herself that nothing he’s saying is of interest to her – but if it means there’s a chance he’ll decide to coach her in the field or something, then she’ll keep pretending to burn with personal ambition.
But, But, But, But, shouldn’t the Emperor/Vader have occupied the place and bombarded it from orbit back when the Old Republic fell?
Or is the Papa Palpatine allergic to Blue milk?
The Skywalker Saga ended with Episode 6. It’s the Rey Saga now.
Obviously, its location had been lost, or else they would have found Luke, wouldn’t they?
They show up in TFA in a flashback when Rey first touches Luke’s lightsaber. One of the thing she sees is Kylo Ren standing in front of a bunch of other armoured men.
I’m not saying this would have worked story-wise, but she could have worked to make it more Mussolini-like and less Hitler-like, meanwhile trying to find a way to restore the Republic. Ren, even though he would have known that that was her plan, might have agreed to this because the Sith are used to having underlings with ambitions of replacing them.
In Rey’s force induced flashback scene in the last movie it showed Kylo with a group of warriors clad in black in a rainstorm. I’m assuming that was them. Smoke mentioned them too.
I loved it, likely as I’m not too invested in the SW story as to look for flaws in character development, plots, setting, etc. Like R1, taken on its face as a pure space opera, TFJ was a wonderful film and is now one of my top-3 SW films (ESB and R1 ranking ahead of this film.)
Yes…I think we have now learned that “Knight of Ren” are nothing more than a bunch of Kylo Ren’s friends/co-padawans that turned with him. We never see them in the present, only in flashbacks.
Uh, they all died or something? I dunno.
It is obvious that:
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JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan created questions/mysteries and did not plan out any answers. Rian Johnson has said that they told him zero about what they expected from episode VIII. They had no plan.
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Rian Johnson made his own answers and Disney accepted anything he came up with. And he more or less ignored “Knights of Ren”. Again, he had been saying that he had 100% total creative control, as much as he had on Looper or any other movie he made.
:shrugs:
Rian Johnson has also given a brief interview now saying that he did intend for Kylo Ren to be telling the truth about Rey’s parents. However, he also points out that he is not writing or involved at all with Episode IX, so they can do whatever they like and he has no idea what is coming.