Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS!)

Contrary to popular belief (especially on this site and other websites) there are actually a few people who don’t really hate episodes 1-3. People around here act like 1-3 are worse than Manos the Hands of Fate. (you can google that )

I like 1-3 just fine. I own them, and will occasionally rewatch them.

But then my interest in Star Wars is less critical appraisal as Le Film Artistique and more appreciation for worldbuilding, especially costumes. And the prequel trilogy has some great costuming.

OK, I’ll certainly grant that. The costumes in the prequel were great.

I really enjoyed seeing the back of Leia’s head in this movie. I wonder why they kept showing her from behind? :slight_smile:

AFAICT nobody’s yet mentioned Abigail Nussbaum’s thought-provoking analysis of RoS, so I’ll throw that in here.

I am waiting for the 2 hour video review from the dumb guy with the stupid fake voice.

Yeah, I’m with you. I didn’t mind the prequels. They had some awful moments especially Attack of the Clones (at least in my opinion), but for the most part, we’re pretty fun.

I got sick of his recurring “joke” that he abducted, imprisoned, tortured, and raped women.

Did not know he said that , he is even worse than I thought.

If you’re talking about the same guy I think you’re talking about, his review videos are interspersed with images and dialogue that suggest that he is a serial something-or-other.

Mr. Plinkett of Red Letter Media — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&list=PLnx36PaKEpxEJ4Ff0o0xQVKB-5c53eBY2&index=16

yes that’s the guy

Mike Stoklasa (who did the “Mr Plinkett” film reviews for the prequels) still does pretty popular film reviews under the “Half in the Bag” web series (not as the Plinkett character)

Here is the Rise of Skywalker review.

To settle a debate that was had earlier in the thread, the soon-to-be-released novelization of the film states that Palpatine was a clone possessed by the spirit of the original, that the clone body was failing because of how powerful the spirit was, and that he waited until 35 ABY to reveal himself because the clone couldn’t live much longer and he needed a new host (I.e. Rey) before it finally died.

I would’ve preferred that this had been related in the film itself, but it does after all follow in the grand tradition of Star Wars novelizations filling in details that the directors couldn’t be bothered with.

Clearly looking at the common denominator of the star wars series, its perfectly plain to see that we should have nuked Naboo from orbit, all those years ago.

If anyone would like to see what 600+ people figured from just having seen the movie, click here to see my survey results from back in December.
#2 most popular choice was “clone body”.

#1 was that it was his original body…

Also in that novelization, Rey’s father was one of those clones.

I heard on the radio that Episode 9 is available on Disney Plius – as far as I can tell this is false
What is true is that you can buy (but not rent) it digitally now instead of the 17th (I may have misheard what they said on the radio)

Brian

Because of our new corona virus society I am getting a chance to catch up on some movies, I watched Alita Battle Angel a few days ago and thought it flawed but quite enjoyable, and decided to watch the new Star Wars yesterday. I hadn’t seen it in the cinema, I had quite liked Force awakens and Rogue One but thought the Last Jedi was insulting to my intelligence so lost any interest in anything else Star Wars. But I thought I would give this a go anyway.

Within 5 minutes my exact thought was “This is a load of wank”. 20 minutes in I moved to switch it off but remembered the whole Corona thing and since I had nothing else to do decided to sit where I was. For the rest of the movie I repeatedly rolled my eyes and every few minutes again told myself that this was a load of wank that didn’t pass any smell test whatsoever.

Basically that film is a mess. And don’t dare dismiss that as some fanboy nerd bullshit because I am neither.

At least it was better than the Last Jedi. ROS is a contrived mess, but TLJ was a steaming turd that I felt worse for watching.

I just saw this on Disney+ (hell if they were going to get my money last December: we already have the streaming service for the kids so this was a freebie for me). I give it 5/10, just like TFA and TLJ. But I clearly use that ten point system differently than others do: I saw someone here said it was 8/10 and that’s basically “meh”, whereas 8/10 for me is an A-minus. 5/10 is a C-minus, just very very marginally “thumbs up”.

One of the things I did really like in TLJ was saying that Rey’s parents were “nobodies”, and now that has been swept away in the stupidest twist reveal ever. For that matter, everything about Palpatine returning was awful. But at least they partly made up for it by sidelining Rose. (And BTW, this has nothing to do with race or gender: the thing I liked most about TFA was the introduction of Rey and Finn! Rose is just really annoying, completely coincidental to her happening not to be white or male).

If I were the God of Star Wars Continuity, I would first excise everything other than the first 1977 film (in its original “Han shoots first” version). Then I’d hear appeals, and probably grant probationary status to Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One, and The Mandalorian. I used to love The Empire Strikes Back, but after years of reflecting on it I realized that they started the unfortunate process of retconning Luke’s family relations (“from a certain point of view”), which then got worse with Leia being made his sister. They should have stuck with Vader (whose first name is Darth!) having killed Luke’s father, and Leia being Luke’s actual romantic love interest (I did like her relationship with Han, so they could have gone with a love triangle even though it would have ended sadly for one of them).

The thing I’m morbidly curious about now is how many more times Disney is going to recycle a scenario where some group of baddies that isn’t called the Empire, but still has TIE fighters and Star Destroyers, not to mention the same uniforms and British accents, gets planet-destroying tech that gets blown up by the good guys just in the nick of time.

LMAO this is brilliant!

I rewatched Rise of Skywalker the other day on Disney plus

It still sucks

I would disagree. While it is improbable that Leia’s please for help would happen to reach her lost brother and that Vader would happen to be their father, it is not out of the realm of possibility. She’s trying to reach Obi Wan, Obi Wan is secretly keeping an eye on the son of his long-time friendemy, Vader, so on and so forth. There’s little point in making Leia his sister, IMHO and it raises a bunch of questions about how does Vader know about Luke but not Leia?

But regardless, at least it creates a cohesive story arc across three films:

  1. Star Wars: Farm boy goes off on a fun adventure to learn The Force and save the Galaxy
  2. Empire: Plot twist, the Big Bad is his father
  3. Jedi: Our young Jedi hero has to come to terms with his father and help him find redemption

The prequels were a kind of fun but ultimately flawed attempt to fill in some of the interesting questions raised in the original trilogy:

  1. How did the Empire come about?
  2. What were the Clones Wars Obi Wan mentioned?
  3. How did Obi Wan and Anakin meet and how did their relationship fall out?
  4. How did Luke end up as a Tatooine moisture farmer and Leia a princess on Alderaan?
  5. What was the “more civilized age of elegant weapons” like?
    A new trilogy had the opportunity to carry on where Return of the Jedi left off:
  6. The political aftermath of the Empire breaking apart with no leadership
  7. Han and Leias relationship
  8. What does Luke do as the Last Jedi
  9. What does Leia do with her newfound Force powers?

The first new film kind of teased at the possibilities, mostly in flashbacks and exposition. Han and Leia had a force-sensitive son Kylo who Luke took upon himself to train. That old Skywalker arrogance reared it’s ugly head and it went badly, with Kylo ultimately becoming the “Vader” for what is essentially the reformed remnants of the old Empire.

THAT is the more interesting story. But since they wanted to keep the original cast, we have to pick up that story 30 years later. And it’s just a muddled mess because instead of actually telling the story I described, they just talk ABOUT the story I described, overlayed against a rehash of the first films with random crap thrown in as proxies for their original roles with just enough of a change to make it “different”. i.e. Starkiller Base = Death Star, Snoke = Palpatine, Palpatine = Palpatine, Jaku = Tatooine, Poe Dameron = Han Solo, etc.

Like I don’t give a shit about Rey other than she “happens to know the Force” and they told me to “care” about her.