I won’t go that far, but yeah. I’ve bagged on Lucas for years about his crappy prequel and even crappier directing. The last three movies just prove that there are even crappier directors out there. And writers.
I think the crowd can be important. I saw it in a theatre with a few other people (less than 10 total).
Maybe an initial negative reaction (to the ridiculous crawl for instance) also carries through and makes you more critical while watching
Still I think it was the general directions of the story (compared to what came before) that I found lacking…and not so much the nitpicky “wasn’t that light saber destroyed” or “didn’t you need a droid to fly an xwing” moments.
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Oh, if you liked TLJ it is very likely you will HATE this movie. JJ slapped down as many layups from TLJ as Johnson did to TFA. Not just disagreeing, almost spitefully
And, you could tell Mark Hamill was relishing delivering his “Don’t disrespect a Jedi weapon line.”
This movie HAD to do a few things for me:
- Explain why Rey is so naturally powerful.
- Restore Luke’s character as much as possible.
They didn’t do that on perfectly, but they made a good attempt.
Agreed. Whoever had the idea of “let each director do whatever” frankly should be fired.
Palpatine question:
Was there any chatter after episodes VII and VIII about Snoke being a stand in for palpatine? The reason I ask is my husband was rewatching the movies before seeing IX. I wasn’t watching, but I could hear it and hearing palpatine and Snoke so close together I noticed Snoke has a weird voice but I heard palpatine clearly in it at some point. I assume someone had to have noticed it before.
A minor point, but remember in TFA when the crashed Tie Fighter sank into the sand then blew the hell up? I knew that the one Rey set on fire wasn’t going to blow up, but it logically should have. (That would make a nice How It Should Have Ended. Tie Fighter blows up, Rey becomes Force Ghost.)
Kathy Kennedy, most likely. It is beyond my imagining that they did not make all three at the same time.
This is Rey here. No way she crash landed. I think she caught it on fire or something.
You know what? At least Lucas managed to tell a coherent story. The execution may not have been great, but he knew what he wanted to say and he said it.
I just saw it. I’ll give it a solid meh. It seemed like 2 movies jammed in one - so the pacing was completely off. I also wondered when Force powers got ultra jacked up. However, I did like the basic outline of the story and the ending was well done. But IMO it hit all a bunch of fan service notes it felt it had to and just made it over the line, but didn’t do more than that.
I also agree it was a movie that wanted to pretend The Last Jedi didn’t happen. The lack of a unifying vision for the sequel trilogy killed it.
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I agree with this. His execution was off but I think the outline of Ep.1-3 had a good story to tell. A three movie arc about the rise of Anakin and his eventual fall to the dark side culminating in the rise of Darth Vader.
The new ones seem like they were pitched by Jerry Seinfeld. “It’s a Star Wars trilogy… about nothing”
I could see years from now Disney attempting a re-boot of the sequels and these becoming very forgetable.
Directors Cut will have a deleted scene with Rose saying “So, did Finn ever tell you about the time I saved him from certain suicide and said we’d only won this by saving the people we love? No? I guess he forgot.”
I saw the movie earlier today and I have to say that I am surprised at my indifference to it. Essentially I feel like I saw a movie but I didn’t get that childhood giddiness that I usually get from a Star Wars movie - the other time I had the same feeling was after Phantom Menace.
I was certain that Luke was going to make an appearance and he did. I was not expecting as much Leia as there was. And I was, for sure, not expecting Han.
Random thoughts:
In the theater I was thinking that I have no investment in the characters, I wonder why that was?
Was there too much Leia? Considering when Carrie passed away all her footage had to be left over from previous movies. Would we have gotten a better movie if she wasn’t shoehorned in?
The ‘surprises’ of Chewie and C3PO were undone too quickly IMO.
I did like that shot of Rey with the twin suns…
I think you’ve done yourself a disservice because IMO Rogue One was the best of the post-trilogy films.
Overall I’m in the camp that says that Star Wars itself didn’t do a great pass at building a universe, but that’s fine. It was a great standalone film, Empire was a great sequel, ROTJ was… a needed resolution, but a mediocre one.
As a kid, all I wanted after that was more and more and more Star Wars, and as an adult I now see that was unrealistic. This world wasn’t an intricated, extensible thing like Tolkien would have built, it was a couple of groundbreaking sci-fi films that were milked to death to keep a merchandise industry afloat.
I remain unimpressed with the works of Jar Jar Abrams. If he would just stay away from the Star Wars universe, that would be great.
Not sure if it was just my theater but no one made a chuckle at the obvious sight gags like C3P0 turning to see what everyone was looking at or Chewie ducking in the crowd. Anyone see those jokes actually land?
I laughed at both. I think others did.
And Star Trek, too.
There were laughs all around me for both of those.
My theater was very reserved, but there were laughs at those jokes. I laughed, too. Not hugely but a little laugh.
He’s done with Star Wars. After destroying Star Trek and destroying Star Wars, he decided that was too easy. So he’s moving to the already destroyed DC movies to take the challenge of seeing if it’s possible to destroy them any further.