Luckily they’re not talking about that. It’s a completely baseless rumour.
Um… what’s notable to me is that in the week since this rumour came out, Disney hasn’t denied it.
Disney never denies, nor confirms, rumours. “Not saying No” should never be interpreted as “Saying Yes.”
Yeah, seriously, this is fanboy wish-fulfillment at its most self indulgent. There’s no evidence at all that Disney is going to do any form of retcon. The series of movies I-IX is in the past for Disney. The only thing that matters is where do they go from here to make more money with it.
Because that’s what they’re here for: to make money. Why make princess movies? Money. Why make more Marvel movies after Endgame? Money. Why continue to produce terrible Cars knock off movies? Because the ancillary products generate $2B per year to little boys.
The fans don’t own Star Wars. That’s delusionary entitlement. Disney owns it. Disney is going to leverage it as best they can to improve their bottom line. I’m sure, right now, they’re pretty pleased with the return on the investment they’ve received. They don’t owe the fans anything and couldn’t care less about your outrage. You’re not the ones paying the bills.
There’s simply no percentage in responding to Internet outrage and Twitter grievances. Why should they bother?
To a point. Solo bombed and they scraped the Boba Fett movie they were planning. How much of that is related to people being disappointed in the Sequel Trilogy, I don’t know, but I imagine it factors into it.
Maybe not, but that’s when it was magical. Something’s been lost in translation over the years. The storytelling just isn’tvv v the same anymore, and 1977 represents the golden era.
yeah, your youth.
I mean, I thought the Transformers animated film was the most incredible thing ever when I saw it at the theater in 4th grade. I’ve tried to watch it on DVD, and I can’t even get through it for all of the stilted dialogue, crappy animation, and cheezball music.
“Being a kid” has a way of making everything seem amazing and magical.
Hmmm. You may have a point there.
Heck, for a significant amount of kids that came of age during the Prequels, THAT is their favorite trilogy. I remember coming across a reddit thread (in r/Starwars) and very highly upvoted comment was pushing back on an anti-prequel POV by saying something like “don’t be defaming OUR trilogy”.
By that metric, the 3 sequels (7, 8 and 9) weren’t Star Wars either, as the Rebel Alliance had come and gone by that time, and so had the Empire, both to be replaced by pale imitations (Resistance and First Order). The only thing out of your list is the Jedi, and that was ONE man hiding on a remote world. To me, what made it Star Wars was the presence of the Force as the sort of… vehicle(?) that allowed for the good/evil or light/dark conflict to occur. Without the Force, it’s just generic science fiction space opera.
Personally I think retconning it is an atrocious idea. Leave them alone, and move on in the Star Wars universe. It’s huge, it’s somewhat unexplored, and any new movie series could be set in the past or the future. There’s a LOT of prequel ground left to be sowed- maybe the founding of the Jedi order would be something that could be explored. Or the founding of the Galactic Republic is another thing that could be explored (assuming they’re not the same thing). Or the Jedi/Sith Wars prior to the Galactic Republic during the Old Republic days. And so on… lots of history to explore there.
If Disney really wants to make a mint, the next movie should be 2.5 hours of the Endor Apocalypse. We’d all pay good money to see those little fuckers die screaming.
As for going forward…there is a whole galaxy and thousands of years to play with. bump has it right.
Rogue One didn’t have the Jedi in it and one dude who was Force sensitive, but was definitely Star Wars (and arguably better than any of the New Trilogy).
Granted any Old Republic stuff is going to have to focus on the Force, otherwise it may end up being too generic space opera. But stories around the Skywalker Saga can be Star Wars even without a lot of Jedi stuff.
Having such diverse opinions in this thread on what you want to see from Star Wars only goes to prove how hard it is to please a wide audience. I do not envy them their task and the decisions they need to make each time they venture forth with a new project.
We should be grateful for The Mandalorian, playing outside the Skywalker saga with a lower budget, and yet managing to become a phenomenon. There is still hope they can figure out how to go forward.
And hey, if you don’t like one thing they do, maybe you’ll like the next thing coming right along behind it.
This isn’t quite the same thing, but here is another data point. One of the things I’ve gotten into doing in my stay-at-home boredom is watching “reaction” videos on YouTube. These are videos where people (mostly young people) will watch movies or music videos for the first time, and film their reactions to them.
I recently watched one young lady, in her twenties I should think, reacting to the Star Wars movies. She watched them in release order, IV-VI, then I-III. She seemed to enjoy them all pretty much the same. While she had a few complaints about the prequels–she found Jar Jar annoying, and didn’t think Anakin and Padme had much chemistry–for the most part she did not seem to experience any real drop in quality or enjoyment between the original trilogy and the prequels. On the contrary, she found the story of Anakin’s turn to the dark side genuinely compelling.
That’s just one person, I realize. But it does support the suspicion, which I’ve had for awhile, that someone coming to the saga completely fresh, with no sense of nostalgia for 1977, might find all of the films to be on a basically even level.
There’s a podcast that did this too, called Newcomers, where comedians Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus watched Star Wars in order, with all the additionals too like the Ewok movies and the Holiday Special. Anyway, they also thought the prequels were fine, and fit into the saga well. Context clearly makes a difference.
I don’t see a wide range of opinions. I see lots of agreement that the NT sucked ass.
I’ve got to back up GuanoLad and the others here. I know from my kids generation - Ages 15-20 - they don’t see a lot of difference in quality. They enjoy them all - though they VERY much liked Rogue One - about the same.
Omni, are you certain you’re not suffering confirmation bias? That, because you hang with like-minded individuals, you get like-minded opinions?
Example, I had a temp worked for me in 2012. She was a fairly well-off, fifties woman who’d been raised her entire life here in South Carolina. Fine. When I discussed Obama’s re-election chances she didn’t believe me that he was very likely to win. Instead, she insisted he was going to lose and Romney take the White House. She repeatedly said that, ‘no one she knew was going to vote for Obama’. What should couldn’t get was that all the people she was talking to were like her: white, upper middle class people who’d grown up here in South Carolina. It’s likely that, other than me, she literally didn’t interact with another Obama supporter on a day-to-day basis. It twisted her perceptions of the way things actually were.
Even from a cynical business point of view, a good movie isn’t one that makes a lot of money, it’s one that enables the franchise to keep making lots of money. Like, I suspect, many, I went to see the new trilogy because the original was great. If the new trilogy were good, I would continue to have that attitude. But it wasn’t, and I don’t. I will no longer go to see a movie just because it’s Star Wars. If I’m going to see any more, they’ll need to win me back. That’s not something the businessmen should be happy about, even if inertia was enough to make billions on the current movies.
Indeed. And even the Prequals didn’t kill off the desire for more Star Wars movies. But the Sequels seemed to have had that effect - I guess people thought well Lucas has just bought into his hype a little too much, if someone else gets the rights we can get some great SW movies. And then Disney did and made a mess of it.
I think the Solo movie losing so much money led to a reconsideration. Because they canceled the Boba Fett origin movie and I think I remember they were considering an Obi Wan original movie, which they are now going to make into a Disney+ show. Seems like they have determined that they need to step back from future movies to consider what exactly they want. It seems the next Star Was movie is penciled in for 2022 at this stage, but they don’t have a director assigned (well after Benioff and Weiss left).
I mean, we all have opinions about how things stand and that’s fine. For myself, I think the fact that they went into VII-IX without an overarching storyline was a ludicrous blunder. Especially with the example of the Marvel movies RIGHT there.
But it is just a matter of regrouping and changing an approach. I do hope Rian Johnson gets his trilogy. He’s really a brilliant writer and director - any doubts see Brick, Looper and Knives Out - and, without the constraints of having to fit something into JJ Abrams lead in Johnson can likely make something really good. Ditto the announced Waititi movie.
But the most encouraging thing to me moving forward is the fact that the appear to be looking for things no longer associated with the content that’s come before. Cancelling the Boba Fett movie and moving the Kenobi movie to Disney+ is, to my mind, a GOOD thing. The universe needs to expand, not just keep diving deeper up it’s own ass.