State of the Union January 2012

I see two specific question thread, but not any general discussion threads about tonight’s SOTU address. What did you all think? There’s a full transcript at http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71920.html

In general, I found myself agreeing with most of Obama’s points, but after four years am starting to find the pontificating a little wearisome. Of course I have to remind myself that the President only has specific powers and there’s only so much he can do if Congress doesn’t cooperate. I did find it heartening that he mention a few specific articles of legislation that he would sign immediately if they were passed to him, and a few things he was taking initiative to do within his powers as Executive.

Some specific comments and questions:

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For the first time in nine years, there are no Americans fighting in Iraq.
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Wait, what? We’ve completely withdrawn from Iraq? How did I miss that memo?

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Or we can restore an economy where everyone gets a fair shot, everyone does their fair share, and everyone plays by the same set of rules.
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A laudable goal.

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And we’ve put in place new rules to hold Wall Street accountable, so a crisis like that never happens again.
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Details?

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No, we will not go back to an economy weakened by outsourcing, bad debt, and phony financial profits.
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Agreed.

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We got workers and automakers to settle their differences. We got the industry to retool and restructure.
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Details?

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But right now, it’s getting more expensive to do business in places like China. Meanwhile, America is more productive. A few weeks ago, the CEO of Master Lock told me that it now makes business sense for him to bring jobs back home.
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Is outsourcing to China getting expensive? Why?

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Right now, companies get tax breaks for moving jobs and profits overseas. Meanwhile, companies that choose to stay in America get hit with one of the highest tax rates in the world. It makes no sense, and everyone knows it.
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Any history on this?

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Two years ago, I set a goal of doubling U.S. exports over five years. With the bipartisan trade agreements I signed into law, we are on track to meet that goal – ahead of schedule.
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Really? Doubling exports? How did that happen?

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Soon, there will be millions of new customers for American goods in Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.
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These are significant markets??

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We’ve brought trade cases against China at nearly twice the rate as the last administration – and it’s made a difference.
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What is a trade case?

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It’s not right when another country lets our movies, music, and software be pirated.
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Meh. I hope this is just a shoutout to Hollywood election funding and not a knod of support for SOPA/PIPA.

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I also hear from many business leaders who want to hire in the United States but can’t find workers with the right skills. Growing industries in science and technology have twice as many openings as we have workers who can do the job.
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What are all these jobs?? If there is such a high demand I might consider changing careers.

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Model partnerships between businesses like Siemens and community colleges in places like Charlotte, Orlando, and Louisville are up and running. Now you need to give more community colleges the resources they need to become community career centers – places that teach people skills that local businesses are looking for right now, from data management to high-tech manufacturing.
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Sounds good.

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So instead of bashing them, or defending the status quo, let’s offer schools a deal. Give them the resources to keep good teachers on the job, and reward the best ones. In return, grant schools flexibility: To teach with creativity and passion; to stop teaching to the test; and to replace teachers who just aren’t helping kids learn.
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I like the idea of not teaching to the test but… The horror of incompetent teachers with tenure is a common Republican trope, but it is really a serious issue? And whether or not is it, if we don’t teach to the test, what method do we use to evaluate teachers?

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We also know that when students aren’t allowed to walk away from their education, more of them walk the stage to get their diploma. So tonight, I call on every State to require that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn eighteen.
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I’d rather see a revamping of education methods. Ignoring that, is the number of drop outs a huge issue, and is merely forcing them to stay in school the solution?

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At a time when Americans owe more in tuition debt than credit card debt, this Congress needs to stop the interest rates on student loans from doubling in July. Extend the tuition tax credit we started that saves middle-class families thousands of dollars.
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Absolutely.

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Of course, it’s not enough for us to increase student aid. We can’t just keep subsidizing skyrocketing tuition; we’ll run out of money. States also need to do their part, by making higher education a higher priority in their budgets. And colleges and universities have to do their part by working to keep costs down
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Well…

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believe as strongly as ever that we should take on illegal immigration.
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He takes an interesting stance of “I protect the borders! But still, let’s help people immigrate.”

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Send me a law that gives them the chance to earn their citizenship. I will sign it right away.
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How?

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So let’s pass an agenda that helps them succeed. Tear down regulations that prevent aspiring entrepreneurs from getting the financing to grow. Expand tax relief to small businesses that are raising wages and creating good jobs. Both parties agree on these ideas. So put them in a bill, and get it on my desk this year.
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Do both parties agree? What has stopped them then?

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Support the same kind of research and innovation that led to the computer chip and the Internet; to new American jobs and new American industries.
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Yippee. Glad he acknowledges that we can’t always predict which research will reap benefits.

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I’m directing my Administration to open more than 75 percent of our potential offshore oil and gas resources.
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What does this mean?

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But I will not walk away from the promise of clean energy.
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Yay.

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I will not walk away from workers like Bryan.
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Is this a rebuke of the Solyndra scandal?

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It’s time to end the taxpayer giveaways to an industry that’s rarely been more profitable, and double-down on a clean energy industry that’s never been more promising.
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Whee waxing poetic.

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I’m directing my Administration to allow the development of clean energy on enough public land to power three million homes.
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Awesome that he’s able to actually take some sort of executive action. But details?

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In the next few weeks, I will sign an Executive Order clearing away the red tape that slows down too many construction projects. But you need to fund these projects. Take the money we’re no longer spending at war, use half of it to pay down our debt, and use the rest to do some nation-building right here at home.
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Has the war budget significantly decreased?

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That’s why I’m sending this Congress a plan that gives every responsible homeowner the chance to save about $3,000 a year on their mortgage, by refinancing at historically low interest rates. No more red tape.
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Amen to that.

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There is no question that some regulations are outdated, unnecessary, or too costly. In fact, I’ve approved fewer regulations in the first three years of my presidency than my Republican predecessor did in his.
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Really?

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We got rid of one rule from 40 years ago that could have forced some dairy farmers to spend $10,000 a year proving that they could contain a spill – because milk was somehow classified as an oil. With a rule like that, I guess it was worth crying over spilled milk.
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GROAN…

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Today, American consumers finally have a watchdog in Richard Cordray with one job: To look out for them.
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Is that the guy they tried to make it impossible to appoint?

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We will also establish a Financial Crimes Unit of highly trained investigators to crack down on large-scale fraud and protect people’s investments.
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Including PAST crime?

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And tonight, I am asking my Attorney General to create a special unit of federal prosecutors and leading state attorneys general to expand our investigations into the abusive lending and packaging of risky mortgages that led to the housing crisis. This new unit will hold accountable those who broke the law, speed assistance to homeowners, and help turn the page on an era of recklessness that hurt so many Americans.
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If they actually hold anyone responsible legally I will metaphorically eat my hat.

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On the other hand, if you make under $250,000 a year, like 98 percent of American families, your taxes shouldn’t go up.
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Occupy shoutout lol.

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Some of this has to do with the corrosive influence of money in politics. So together, let’s take some steps to fix that. Send me a bill that bans insider trading by Members of Congress, and I will sign it tomorrow. Let’s limit any elected official from owning stocks in industries they impact. Let’s make sure people who bundle campaign contributions for Congress can’t lobby Congress, and vice versa – an idea that has bipartisan support, at least outside of Washington.
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Are these the issues? I was under the impression that nothing less than banning financial contributions altogether would solve the issue. Nonetheless, so glad he’s addressing the core issue.

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That’s why I’ve asked this Congress to grant me the authority to consolidate the federal bureaucracy so that our Government is leaner, quicker, and more responsive to the needs of the American people.
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This scares me, given his backtracking on Guantanamo, Patriot Act, and other civil rights issues.

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But I believe what Republican Abraham Lincoln believed: That Government should do for people only what they cannot do better by themselves, and no more. That’s why my education reform offers more competition, and more control for schools and States. That’s why we’re getting rid of regulations that don’t work. That’s why our health care law relies on a reformed private market, not a Government program.
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Nice try, but meh.

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From this position of strength, we’ve begun to wind down the war in Afghanistan. Ten thousand of our troops have come home. Twenty-three thousand more will leave by the end of this summer.
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Really?

It looked to me that the penny has dropped that the US will inevitably be overtaken by China in the relatively near future as the world’s biggest economy, hence all the desperate stuff about how America is not on the wane and the challenge to Chinese trade.

Also, reading between the lines, a war with Iran looks inevitable.

That’s from an outsider looking in. And also: your millionaires pay only 30% tax???

Some scary shit in there. He starts and finishes by lauding the death of Osama bin Laden as though it is his greatest achievement as president.

Then he claims the auto bailout as some sort of successful economic policy.

"In exchange for help, we demanded responsibility. We got workers and automakers to settle their differences.”

By this he meant that auto workers had to take a 50 percent pay cut, tens of thousands of jobs had to go, cuts in pensions and health benefits for retired workers, and a ban on strike action.

While workers paid the price, the companies and the bosses reaped the profits.

So Detroit is bankrupt, with soaring rates of poverty and unemployment, foreclosures, utility shutoffs, and plans to return parts of the auto capital to farmland.

He attempts to hide the truth by saying, “And together, the entire industry added nearly 160,000 jobs,” failing to mention that these are non-union jobs in other states, created by foreign manufacturers. And despite this the US auto industry still employs 200,000 less people than it did in 2000.

*“What’s happening in Detroit can happen in other industries. It can happen in Cleveland and Pittsburgh and Raleigh.” *

The people of Cleveland and Pittsburgh and Raleigh should start to worry about their jobs and living standards.

I thought it was pretty good speech for what it was, which was basically a 2012 campaign stump speech. I thought most of his policy proposals were both good on their merits and things that at least conceivably could make it through Congress, to the extent that the GOP will let anything make it through Congress in the next year.

As to the OP, no offense, but wikipedia has a page on the Obama Presidency. It’d probably be faster if you read that then having us type out what would basically be the same thing to answer all your questions.

No, Obama is proposing they should. They currently pay considerably less, largely due to low tax rates on capital gains.

Nah. We can’t afford it.

It appears that his congrats to Panetta as he was entering are based on this event that happened as he was speaking. The guy is walking the walk.

I was mildly surprised to hear no explicit reference to either Rep. Giffords or Senator Kirk last night. Not disappointed or relieved, just a little surprised since I thought it’d pop up in the opening remarks or something.

For anyone not in the know, Rep. Giffords was the woman who survived an assassination attempt last year and is retiring as of today (I believe it’s today anyway) to focus on her recovery from a gunshot to the head. Senator Kirk had a stroke this weekend and is in recovery; he also holds Obama’s previous senate seat.

It will pay for itself when we get their oil.

It was announced in December. Not sure how you missed it.

Yep.

Google Dodd-Frank.

Me too.

GM and Ford are doing well.

Good question.

I bet there is!

I bet it is the economy.

Wikipedia says there’s lots of people there.

It’s like a lawsuit that goes to the WTO.

Maybe. Who knows?

Souinds like someone has a case of the Mondays!

We shall see!

I’ll have to think about that.

Wasn’t there a Great Debate on this?

Preach it!

that’s a deep subject! lol

Nailed it!

Probably with a blue pen.

Sounds like finger pointing.

Yep.

It has to do with licenses.

“All of the above” is a good slogan.

Could be.

But he’s good at it..

This has been going on for a few years now, IIRC.

By half, I think.

I should have waited a year to refinance.

Yeah - look it up.

That was terrible.

Yes, that’s him.

If the money is gone, it’s gone, right?

I will hold you to that!

Sort of, yeah.

Half of the proposal doesn’t really have to do with campaign finance reform, it’s just an ethics thing. Look up the story on 60 Minutes.

Why would reducing the size of the Commerce Department be compared to Guantanamo? Makes no sense.

It’s true – google Obamacare.

Have you missed that news too?

Probably with a pen.

Sounds like he is saying that the war in Iraq is one of the things that has made the United States safer and more respected. Maybe he is right. But now two of the members of the Axis of Evil have been knocked down, and only two remain. North Korea. And Iran. And both of them have, or are trying to get, nukes. And BHO made several references to military actions that he authorized, that he believes helped the US in its international situation.

We live in interesting times.

Regards,
Shodan

One has been knocked down. The ‘Axis of Evil’ was Iraq, N. Korea and Iran. (assuming your thinking of Afghanistan as number four, most of the country was controlled by the US/Northern Alliance by the time Bush coined the phrase).

I don’t think we can read too much into that. It would be rather insensitive to say the Iraq War was a waste of time and money while talking about the troops.

Thanks :rolleyes:

Thought it was a pretty good speech, all in all. He’s definitely in full reelection-campaign mode. He laid down some markers for what he thinks Congress ought to do - just about all of them good ideas, IMHO - and if they take no action, he can tell the voters that he did his best but needs more like-minded folks on Capitol Hill. And if Congress passes bills that are at least halfway like what he called for, he can sign 'em and point to even more accomplishments. Win-win. Smart.

This might amuse you: Drinking Your Way Through the State of the Union | Dacula, GA Patch

Obama did seek her out Giffords on the floor and exchange a hug, so there was some acknowledgement of her leaving, albeit not in the actual speech.

Didn’t know about Kirk. Hope he’s alright.

(realizing I’m inviting the obvious rightwing snark line, but the Dems are having a rough time with neurological health over the last decade or so. Jim Jeffords gets Alzheimer, Ted Kennedy dies of brain cancer, Tim Johnson has some sort of brain aneurysm, Giffords takes a bullet to the brain, Kirk has a stroke).

Kirk is a Republican.

Ah, was thinking of Dick Durban.

Well, now that he’s had the stroke he can be a member of the Tea Party elite.

I still need to youtube the SOTU address.

I’ve heard tell of a few US manufacturers quietly pulling their Chinese operations back–Saint-Gobain returned a lot of its chemical manufacturing back here to Da Falls a while back. The company CEO said they weren’t getting the manufacturing quality they wanted from their Chinese operations.

I’ve also heard rumors of bribe demands from Chinese officials to foreign companies. Wouldn’t be surprised if that is on the increase.