Trump multiplies ‘Portland’ times 100…California, Washington and Oregon secede…and surprisingly Trump lets them go.
Trump: We hope to peacefully negotiate economic, citizen, and border relations to make the new country of…(checks notes) ‘Sacagawea?’ our closest ally."
Does Trump lose the 2020 election for just letting them go or does he win cause Biden loses a crapload of votes?
That’s a pretty extreme hypothetical - the circumstances under which one or more states would secede abruptly already imply that America has broken down. I mean, the number of people both in those states and in the rest of the US who would object to them leaving would be significant under virtually all circumstances barring a coup in which Trump makes himself Dictator for Life with the support of the rest of Congress and/or a foreign power, in which case “votes” are moot.
I’m trying hard not to fight the hypothetical here but you haven’t made it easy. I mean, we’re at a “Do you think it would cost him votes if Trump named the death camps after Confederate generals” level here.
I think you’re right…I could “maybe” see them seceding if Trump wins (and he’s done some really bad stuff between now and Nov.),but not before the election. Sorry
I really don’t see anything happening like this, but I agree it wouldn’t happen until we see what happens in the election. If we remove the orange pustule, we still have years (maybe a decade) to fix everything he broke. If he’s reelected, I seriously question whether the country will ever be the same.
Despite propaganda to the contrary, the president is not a king and does not have the authority to let a state leave the union.
Gotta wonder what effect disenfranchising 15% of the military and nearly half of Trump’s beloved CBP would have on morale. At least, Devon Nunes would be out of a job.
So as to not fight the hypothetical (as others are):
If Trump can manage to get Oregon, Washington and California out of the nation, it’s going to be a lot tougher for Biden (he loses 74 electoral votes,) but Biden most likely still wins. He’s currently headed for Clinton-1996 numbers. Trump would have to somehow kick out New York, Illinois, etc. as well if he wants to get reelected.
Just pointing out that you’re going to need a passport to visit Disneyland is enough to cost Trump the election.
I wonder how dual citizenship would work. Ever since ‘Warday’ came out in the 80’s I’ve kept in mind that my parents were born in CAL.
That’s what Disney World is for, to offer us an alternative.
pffffft They ain’t got no Matterhorn.
“Alternative.” Honestly. 
“Cascadia”. The 11th province.
In what way does Trump “let them go”? Do you mean wave a magic wand and somehow force them out of the country non-Constitutionally? Clarification, please.
How are you getting “Let them go” possibly confused with “Force them out non-constitutionally” in what world is that possible?
Let them go means not fighting against their secession.
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…in what world is that possible?
[/quote] In what world does he have the power and/or authority to just “let them go”? Your hypothetical is already impossible-I just wanted clarification as to which way the country works in your world.
I just want to say that seeing the thread title got me excited that some Red States were seceding, and the only question was “would Trump let them?”.
I can think of a big one that we wouldn’t need to make up a name for…
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(gotta figure out a way to keep Austin, maybe a West Berlin kind of arrangement)
Have you been paying any attention lately? Not having the authority only stops Trump when other people stop him, and the people who are supposed to do that seem not to do it on a regular basis.
So if he lets them go, and no one in Congress bothers to stop him, what is there to prevent this, “authority” or not?
Then what the hell point is there to discussing politics at all, if the baseline assumption is going to be “Trump can do literally anything with no consequence”?
I think everyone here is really fighting the hypothetical. The OP isn’t asking for Constitutional minutae about what a president can and cannot do. He is just asking, would Trump face greater electoral backlash from having chopped away a big chunk of America, or would Biden face greater difficulty now that he’s lost 74 electoral votes?
We entertain all sorts of hypotheticals about superheroes, time travel, space aliens, etc. so there is no reason we can’t abide by the OP.
If he was able to do that much in such a short period of time with the consent of a supermajority of Congress, then the instant it happened and all shipping from the western seaports and distribution stopped, he would be lucky to leave the White House with his skin intact.