Steophan: '"Blacks are subhuman" is either true or false, and by itself has no moral component'

[MrDibble]

@Steophan

Looking for sympathy and high fives? It’s clear you’ve never read the thread you’re talking about if you think that’s why people post there.

Not people. Just you. High fives are exactly what you thought you’d get there.

What I got was what I wanted, which is confirmation that you’re an absolute cockwomble.

I know you like people in animal suits, but dude, stop picturing me that way.

And I got enough confirmation that you’re a cowardly pussyman who runs away when he’s properly pitted, too.

Just based solely on this thread, that’s not true.

The thread where you double down on “Blacks are subhuman” not being a racist thing to say? That thread?

Dude, you’re already in the trench, no need to keep digging while you’re there.

You’re throwing out wild accusations at people with no evidence

Her stupid analogy post is right there.

calling people racists, liars, and whatever else, without cause.

Idiot crazy man, you’ve been caught out in two lies in this thread alone. So either a) post a link to me admitting being a racist AND b) stay the fuck out of the thread where you said you were “done” with me, or else just own up to being the liar everyone can see you are.

The racist-loving, I’m afraid, is out there for everyone to see already, nothing you do is going to help with that. But post the evidence and then shut the fuck up, and you won’t be a liar anymore. So you’ll have that going for you, anyway.

If you actually were better than anyone else, you’d be both willing and able to actually refute what anyone’s said, rather than continuing with the spittle-flecked rage and paranoia that characterises your posts.

Your mom has my refutation… tattooed on her ass.
This a pitting of you, you stupid, yiffing stalker. I don’t need to refute jack, I just need you to keep posting and having the crazy spill all out from your keyboard, like your jism slowly drips into on your teddy bear’s eye.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again - get help. At the absolute minimum, you need some way to get some perspective, and quite possibly much more than that.

Take you mock-concern and stuff it up the hole in the cactus I’m about to invite you to go fuck, you lying, racist-loving sack of syphilitic donkey cocks.

[MrDibble]

@Steophan

And the irony is that, when called out on your own bigotry, which you are happy to express in derogatory terms, you double down on it.

Utterly , provably, bullshit. When I’ve been correctly called on using a racist term on this board, I stopped using it. I didn’t “double down” on jack.

Unlike all those sailors doubling down on your Mom…

[HeXen]

What IF blacks were superior to any other race? Would something that might be considered a positive outlook change the offense?

[MrDibble]

@HeXen

What IF blacks were superior to any other race? Would something that might be considered a positive outlook change the offense?

No.

It’s just as racist to say Asians are genetically endowed with superior intelligence as it is to say Blacks are subhuman.

[Ann_Hedonia]

@MrDibble

No, I think it’s making analogies comparing people to dogs that makes you a big old racist. Are we supposed to be glad it wasn’t cockroaches?

Well, my analogy wouldn’t really have worked then because I’m singularly unkind to cockroaches, if I see one I generally stalk it and gleefully murder it with either chemical weapons or my bare hands.

I was making a point about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

And since this is the pit

My god, you’re really stupid.

[Steophan]

@MrDibble

Utterly , provably, bullshit. When I’ve been correctly called on using a racist term on this board, I stopped using it. I didn’t “double down” on jack.

So, only racism counts as bigotry now, and your constant insults towards the mentally ill, or those who’s sexuality you don’t like, doesn’t count now? No-one I’ve seen here has said anything as remotely as bad against any race as you’ve said against those things in this thread alone.

You’re a hypocrite. You are quite happy to use the language of bigotry to insult someone you don’t like, and yet you cry everytime you even think someone’s doing the same to you, even when they’re obviously not doing so.

And the even sadder thing is you’re using those insults as a way to ignore the actual debate. I’ve laid out my argument quite clearly, in this thread and others, and your response? “CRAZY!! TOYFUCKER!!! RACIST!! LIAR!!”. You really think that does anything apart from make you look bad?

Oh, and you follow me to another board, start a thread about me here, and then call me a stalker. There’s something massively off about your perception of things. I’d guess that your projecting, to be honest, that you’re assuming everybody is the same as you.

Like I’ve said before, get help.

[magellan01]

@MrDibble

No.

It’s just as racist to say Asians are genetically endowed with superior intelligence as it is to say Blacks are subhuman.

How about if it’s true?

Oh, and you can now go apologize Ann Hedonia. But I have this off feeling you won’t. You demented imbecile.

[MrDibble]

@Ann_Hedonia

I was making a point about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Yeah, that explains it…
…no, wait, it totally doesn’t. Why you made the stupid analogy isn’t the issue.
The issue is that you made an analogy comparing animals to people who look different from you.

My god, you’re really stupid.

I’m not the one making tortured analogies…
If I have some point to make, I generally just try and make it without comparing people who look different from me to animals.

@magellan01

How about if it’s true?

Is it racial? Then it’s racist.

And it can’t ever be true, because genetic races don’t exist. Idiot.

Oh, and you can now go apologize Ann Hedonia.

Why? She hasn’t explained herself at all.

But I have this off feeling you won’t.

What do you know, the monkey can find the peanut occasionally…

You demented imbecile.

You racist shitstain.

[Ibn_Warraq]

@John_Mace

Emphasis added to BG’s post, but that’s it in a nutshell. Not sure how anyone can improve on that.

Agreed.

[Steophan]

@MrDibble

Is it racial? Then it’s racist.

Nope. And for those playing along at home, this is how we know that he doesn’t know what racism is.

[Ibn_Warraq]

@HeXen

What IF blacks were superior to any other race? Would something that might be considered a positive outlook change the offense?

Considering that for centuries the idea that blacks were subhuman, inferior, stupid, or something similar was used to justify slavery, Jim Crow, and worse I don’t think those phrases can be comparable.

Words and phrases don’t exist in a vacuum.

[MrDibble]

@Steophan

So, only racism counts as bigotry now

Where did I say that? All I did was give one example where I did roll back bigoted language.

, and your constant insults towards the mentally ill, or those who’s sexuality you don’t like, doesn’t count now?

Yes, dear, any day now, this pitting will turn around…fake that outrage harder, you can do it!

No-one I’ve seen here has said anything as remotely as bad against any race as you’ve said against those things in this thread alone.

Oh, my heart bleeds for all the schizophrenic teddyfuckers, for they are truly the oppressed ones :rolleyes:

You’re a hypocrite.

Yep, any day now…

You are quite happy to use the language of bigotry to insult someone you don’t like

…aaaaany day…

And the even sadder thing is you’re using those insults as a way to ignore the actual debate.

What fucking debate, you demented loon? I’m not debating you! I’m here strictly to expose your idiotic racist-loving ass, and point and laugh at you. You’re truly fucking mental if you think I give a shit what excuses you come up with. Your own idiocy is right there in the thread title. Everything after that is just telling you what a truly worthless waste of oxygen you are.

I’ve laid out my argument quite clearly, in this thread and others

Yes, we all know you think it’s not racist to say “Blacks are subhuman”, guy. Like I said, it’s there in the header. No need to continue to post your pro-racist screed here.

, and your response? “CRAZY!! TOYFUCKER!!! RACIST!! LIAR!!”. You really think that does anything apart from make you look bad?

It’s quite cathartic, actually. It’s doing me a world of good.

It helps that the bits that matter - that you excuse racism, that you are a liar, that you’re insane - you’ve done a great job of showing yourself, just from your participation in this thread.

The teddyfucking - well, you haven’t denied it yet!

Oh, and you follow me to another board, start a thread about me here, and then call me a stalker.

Pitting you is not the same as stalking you, you moronic microdicked goatfelcher. Especially since I created this pitting at the request of someone else.

Now, if you had any balls, you’d have pitted me ages ago, rather than leaping out like a racist-loving idiot every time I actually say a racist is being a racist. I mean, you wouldn’t be the first (not that** MostlyUseless**'s pitting of me went any better than yours would go if you had the stones to do it)

But of course, we’ve already established you’ve not got the nerve.
You’re the Cowardly Liar, but the kind of Wizard you suck up to isn’t going to be able to help you with that problem.

I’d guess that your projecting, to be honest, that you’re assuming everybody is the same as you.

No, quite clearly some people are racists and grammar-challenged racist-lovers, and I’m neither. So I already know you and your racist friends are not the same as me.

Like I’ve said before, get help.

Like I’ve said before, go fuck a cactus with your fake concern. The only help I’d like is help getting rid of you, and all the racists whose asses your tongue keeps cleaning.

[MrDibble]

@Steophan

Nope. And for those playing along at home, this is how we know that he doesn’t know what racism is.

Said the liar who thinks “Blacks are subhuman” isn’t racist…

[MaxTheVool]

@SpoilerVirgin

Absolutely – that’s why I said that the “more likely to” construction “can be a non-racist statement, depending on context.”

To sum up:

“Black people are more likely to…” = sometimes racist, sometimes not
“[All] black people are…” = always racist

So as kaylasdad99 indicated, all of the statements listed by magellan01 are racist.

Well, that leaves us back where we started, as far as my previous list of questions:

@me

I think there are two things we can definitely agree make someone racist:
(1) treating someone more poorly due to their race
(2) believing that knowing someone’s race allows you to judge their value as a human being

To me the debatable sticky point (and I freely admit that these are generally NOT the types of positions one actually encounteres “in the wild” very often, but hey, if we can’t debate crazy hypotheticals what’s the point of debating?) are positions like:
(3) believing, and believing that there is objective evidence for this belief, that there are differences in the average characteristics of people in different races, without necessarily making that a value judgment
and its stronger cousin
(4) believing, and believing that there is objective evidence for this belief, that there are GENETIC differences in the average characteristics of people in different races, without necessarily making that a value judgment

An example of 3 or 4 would be someone who notices that the NBA is dominated by black people, and believes that black people are better than white people, ON AVERAGE, at basketball. (“On average” could be shorthand here for “is more likely to produce people at the extreme end of the bell curve”, it doesn’t necessarily have to mean taking every black guy and assigning them a basketball skills score and doing the same for every white guy, and averaging those numbers.)

And I think many people would be generally accepting of that belief, regardless of whether it’s a type 3 or a type 4 belief. The problem is, there’s really no difference between that and “white people are better than black people, ON AVERAGE, at xxx”, where xxx is just about any human endeavor. If it’s NOT racist to say that blacks are better than whites at basketball, then is not also NOT racist to say that whites are better than blacks at, say, calculus? Why or why not? What’s the difference? Is it only racist if it involves mental as opposed to physical pursuits? Is it only racist if it’s the dominant majority being judged as better at whatever the skill is? Is it only racist if the belief is that it’s genetic and inborn, not cultural?

[magellan01]

@MrDibble

If I have some point to make, I generally just try and make it without comparing people who look different from me to animals.

No, you stupid fuck. She was using animals as a stand-in for people—ALL people. I’m beginning to think Chen and CP might be onto something. Regardless, you’re doing a helluva job doing what you can to bring that average down.

@MrDibble

Is it racial? Then it’s racist.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Wait—I thought there was no such thing as races. Hahahahaha. The above is the wellspring from where most of your dumbfuckness springs. I say most, only because you seem to have so much of it there must be other sources. And something else to explain how you got so broken.

@MrDibble

And it can’t ever be true, because genetic races don’t exist.

That’s some funny shit right there. Your old fallback. You say races don’t exist, yet you enter multiple threads and argue as if they do. You even cry against “Racist” and argue the difference between racial and racist. And get it wrong every time! You repeatedly find yourself in a corner and then yell, “Race?! There’s no such thing as race!” You’re an entertaining lad, I’ll give you that. I know it’s not intentional, but at least it’s something. You dumb broken fuck.

[magellan01]

@Steophan

Nope. And for those playing along at home, this is how we know that he doesn’t know what racism is.

While I don’t agree with you on the point you’ve been arguing, there is no doubt that Dribbles is a fucking idiot with a warped view of the world inside his warped head.

[Steophan]

@MrDibble

Yes, we all know you think it’s not racist to say “Blacks are subhuman”, guy.

If you think you “know” that, you need to learn to read my posts for comprehension.

But hey, good job in the rest of the post doubling down on your bigotry and hypocrisy. And if you think this thread is going well for you and badly for me, then (once again) you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Or just go back to insulting people for their mental health problems or sexual proclivities, then claiming you’re not a bigot. It is to laugh.

[iiandyiiii]

@MaxTheVool

Well, that leaves us back where we started, as far as my previous list of questions:

I’ve explored this before, and this is what I think: assertions about inherent (e.g. genetic) racial differences in fundamental human characteristics – those qualities that are most intrinsic to what makes us human – are probably racist. These qualities include things like intelligence, work ethic, kindness, aggression, integrity, honesty, trustworthiness, etc. – things linked to mental ability and moral character.

Not-so-coincidentally, throughout human history, the tragedies and catastrophes of racism have been largely due to/justified by assertions about the supposed lesser nature of various qualities among these ‘intrinsic human qualities’ – slavery and apartheid were ‘justified’ by assertions about inferior black intelligence, work ethic, supposed greater aggression, lust, etc. The Holocaust was ‘justified’ by assertions about inferior honesty, trustworthiness, integrity, and supposed treachery of Jews.

These aren’t necessarily the only kinds of assertions that are probably racist, but I think they are the great majority and usually the most problematic, as well as the assertions with the worst history behind them.

I would classify such assertions as different than assertions about freckles, skin color, sprinting ability, height, lactose tolerance, etc.

[wevets]

@MaxTheVool

The problem is, there’s really no difference between that and “white people are better than black people, ON AVERAGE, at xxx”, where xxx is just about any human endeavor. If it’s NOT racist to say that blacks are better than whites at basketball, then is not also NOT racist to say that whites are better than blacks at, say, calculus? Why or why not? What’s the difference? Is it only racist if it involves mental as opposed to physical pursuits? Is it only racist if it’s the dominant majority being judged as better at whatever the skill is? Is it only racist if the belief is that it’s genetic and inborn, not cultural?
I don’t have a good definition here, but I think that it’s facile to simply say that any sentence which begins “black people are…” is automatically racist. (Although it’s overwhelmingly likely that anyone who spends a lot of time MAKING such statements, no matter how hedged around by disclaimers, is racist.)

Actually, dehumanization is part of it too. Even if the statement is “Purple-skinned people are better at calculus,” it dehumanizeses a purple person, denying their individual life history, educational effort, and hard work, denying them individual achievement and claiming that their work is a result of their skin color. That’s racist too. For someone of the same race as the you, you might acknowledge their personal achievements, while for someone of the other skin color, you deny those personal achievements and look literally no further than the surface of their skin.

[Steophan]

@magellan01

While I don’t agree with you on the point you’ve been arguing, there is no doubt that Dribbles is a fucking idiot with a warped view of the world inside his warped head.

Which is fair enough, he’s the only one of the people who disagree with me who feels the need to use gratuitous, bigoted insults whilst doing so.