That was just a test, as it is clear to all, you just showed others that you can not find a good citation for your say so that Global Warming is just a nebulous CO2 hypothesis. And so it shows then how it is that you approach evidence regarding other scientifically based subjects.
And I thought I was asking for directions to the correct topic.
According to CNN, Japans nuclear regulatory agency just raised the danger level from 4 to 5…basically the level of the TMI incident. Sorry! No link as I’m on the iPad, but should be easy enough to find it…it’s on the world page.
-XT
Of course, seeing that FX can not even find good cites for what he claims, we shall continue.
It is IMHO almost a miracle that the Japanese managed to do as much as done so far while dealing with the quake and the tsunami.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/18/japan-nuclear-iaea-idUSLDE72H1YJ20110318
But the important bit to me is this one:
I do think this will in the end be worst than three mile island, with several workers (that I also see as heroes) paying the ultimate price.
But it is impossible to ignore that this was under the stress of a huge catastrophe; so, only if the lessons learned (*and I do think that some mistakes were caused by negligence and some will have to pay a different price) are not applied to the rest of the world, is that I would not be in support of more nuclear plants.
I agree. I think it will end up coming in somewhere between a 5 and 6 in the end. Of course, to hear the gonzomax’s of the world talk, thousands if not tens of thousands did die at TMI and Big Nuke™ covered it all up…so I fullybexpect this to be touted as a disaster of Biblical proportions (while the earthquake and tsunami and the other real horrors are forgotten or conflates).
-XT
I can’t even fathom that anyone still thinks this disaster “may be” or “will be” worse than TMI
Are you kidding me? It’s so absurd, everytime they say something stupid like that on CNN (turns head, spits) it makes me want to rage.
Yet clearly you are unablento grasp even the basics of the discussion, and instead resort to The Sky Is Falling screeds that bring nothing of substance to the thread. It’s sad since posters have tried to explain some of the nuances of the discussion and, seeming that effort is as wasted on you as it is on gonzomax’s.
-XT
I tend to believe the nuclear scientists, the physics experts, the people who have a lifetime of experience with running nuclear plants, and not having them fail. In short, when the French called it a six three days ago, they were correct. Anybody with an honest view of the situation knew that.
When I read some idiot say it is a four, and try to insist it isn’t that bad, it makes me want to insert a fuel rod. When I see idiots say it ‘might’ be as bad as TMI, I have to wonder what they are smoking. Seriously.
Even if they stopped all radiation, by magic, right now, it’s the worst nuclear disaster in history. No, it hasn’t killed as many workers yet, and nobody knows what the long term damage will be, but three entire reactor buildings blown to hell, a fourth damaged in the extreme, no control or monitoring of three active reactors, one full of plutonium, and 40 years of fuel rods, with one pool that certainly has burned, and is no doubt damaged, along with constant venting of radioactive material, that with out a doubt contains Cesium and Iodine, and an unknown quantity or other particulates, and a crapload of radioactive material blown all over the plant, massive damage to the control rooms, the electrical rooms, and who knows what else, to compare this to TMI is absurd. It is absurd in the extreme.
The evacuation area, in the middle of an aftermath of a disaster, the blatant lies by authorities, along with the revelations of how completely unprepared all nations are to even monitor the situation, much less stop it from getting far worse by the hour, the lack of radiation monitoring stations, the lack of back ups for radiation monitoring, and the lack of planning for all of it, it’s just absurd to even think it’s “like” TMI.
It’s so out there, it’s impossible for me to really believe anyone who says such nonsense. The French were right, the US was right, and the Japanese responsible are either corrupt, liars or idiots, or all three.
To not tell the world what was happening, to forbid any outside teams in, to deceive everyone, it’s criminal. That anyone still goes along with it is idiotic.
Except for that really bad one (and probably the only bad one) that starts with a C.
That was only one reactor. :dubious:
Really? Tell me something I don’t know.
Whose core burned after the reactor exploded. With harmful radiation levels detected all over Europe, clearly the evidence so far points to this as being worse than Three Mile Island, (what I see is even an effort from some here to deny that many already reported that)
To be getting “worse by the hour” or to still claim that we are believing nonsense, can you guys point at the reports on the increasing harmful radiation levels found in the cities?
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Even if they stopped all radiation, by magic, right now, it’s the worst nuclear disaster in history.
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It’s hard to take anyone seriously that spews this sort of horseshit. You seriously think this is going to be worse than Chernobyl? Seriously? :rolleyes:
Let me ask you something. What do you think is going to kill more people? The earthquake and tsunami or the radiation from this plant? What killed more people…the earthquake/tsunami or what happened at TMI? What killed more people? The disaster at Chernobyl or the earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan?
What kills more people? Mining coal or this nuclear disaster in Japan? TMI? Chernobyl?
But, you see, you are basing all of the above screed on…well, nothing but your own fears backed up by equally frantic eco-nutball types who are against nuclear energy. None of the above is facts based. None of it.
As for the comparison to TMI, you would have had to been capable of following the various danger levels and what they actually mean. Each level is 10 times the escalation as the previous one. So, you’d have to assume that what’s happening in Japan is 10 times worse than what happened at TMI…and, the thing is, making such an assertion at this time has no basis in fact. It’s based on your own uninformed fears and prejudices…not fact. It’s possible that eventually the Japanese authorities will indeed bump this up to a level 6 nuclear disaster (which has a specific and measurable meaning btw)…but right now, today it’s not.
The evacuation of the area was a precautionary measure. You see, if you wait until things get really bad, and THEN call for an evacuation, well, you are a fucking idiot. So, you call for an evacuation early to make sure that if things really go tits up as few are affected as possible. Again, you don’t seem to grasp what the danger levels actually mean, which is sad because it’s been explained to you at least once that I remember. You could always scroll back or, you know, use Google to look it up and at least interject some minimum level of facts into your screed. Or you could just wave your hands as you’ve been doing and rant on.
Or, possibly, they know more about the actual situation as it’s unfolding than people who aren’t working the problem directly. Or, you could exclude the middle some more, since that seems to be something you are fond of…
Of course, the fact that they ARE telling the world what’s going on, but some of ‘the world’ THINK they know better really puts your comment in perspective, no?
-XT
Despite the accident, Ukraine continued to operate the remaining reactors at Chernobyl until 2000, when the last reactor at the site was closed down.
This disaster has already destroyed four reactors, forever, and probably the other two as well. In terms of money it’s the worst. In terms of loss of power, it’s the worst. In terms of destruction, it’s the worst. Clean up? The worst.
All the other factors, loss of human life, and loss of real estate, that’s all to be determined. If the ‘suicide’ workers story is real, the immediate loss of life is going to be far worse.
As far as radioactive material released into the world, that will be determined. I certainly hope it won’t be the worst in those regards.
But as far as disasters go, nothing comes close to this.
Well, Chernobyl had one reactor accident. TMI had one reactor accident. Fukushima has how many reactors in danger?
How many spent fuel rod pools do they have again?
What’s the total tonnage of all the nuclear fuel currently in danger at Fukushima vs. the total tonnage of nuclear fuel in danger at C & TMI?
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Despite the accident, Ukraine continued to operate the remaining reactors at Chernobyl until 2000, when the last reactor at the site was closed down.
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So what? The entire area was irradiated and they had to use remotely operated vehicles to even get close to the site. Hundreds of people died and a near by town had to be permanently evacuated. Come back to this thread in a year and let’s check to see if something similar happens in Japan.
Here’s a hint…it’s not gonna.
Again, so what? Did you notice the whole ‘9.0 earthquake and tsunami followed by a series of ‘small’ 6.0 aftershocks’ thingy? A LOT of stuff has been permanently wrecked in Japan. I wouldn’t be surprised if the price tag goes over a hundred billion in the end, and I’m guessing a lot of buildings will have to be torn down due to structural instability.
The clean up of the nuclear aspect? Yeah, it will be a huge pain in the ass…but it won’t be nearly as bad as the clean up from the earthquake and tsunami. You seriously need to get some perspective and a grip here.
Horseshit. There is no fucking way in hell that 7000-10000 Japanese are going to die due to the radiation from this nuke plant…even if you count all the Dim Mak deaths 10-30 years from now.
They have checked radiation levels outside of the area, and with a few exceptions it’s below legal levels…in most cases it’s below background levels.
You are seriously deluded. But by all means, keep saying this…I’m sure you have the gonzomax crowd in your pocket. Perhaps Le Jac will come along and add his weight to your assertions as well…
-XT
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Well, Chernobyl had one reactor accident. TMI had one reactor accident. Fukushima has how many reactors in danger?
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Oh…it’s stupid questions night and no one told me (Losers reference). So, the real way to judge how bad something is is by the number of reactors involved? It’s funny, I would have thought it was by the radiation released, but hell, you are right…there are more reactors with problems here so clearly that means…er…something.
Ah, it gets better! So…it’s not just the number of reactors, but the number of spent fuel rods that’s key as well! What next? Cock size? I think the Russians may have them beat there, though I have no personal knowledge.
What’s the average shoe size of the Japanese workers vs the Russian ones? Can you tell me? Or the American workers??? I think this is going to be the next critical piece of information to determine the size of the disaster…
-XT
See, obviously you aren’t in charge of ranking nuclear disasters, because if you were, you’d know there’s far more to it, and it’s far more complicated than just whipping out dicks and comparing deaths.
On the nuclear disaster scale, I’d say I’m about an 8 on the not being surprised you think so scale.
OMG
Its worse than I thought. Its actually sucking radiation in from the surrounding areas!
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See, obviously you aren’t in charge of ranking nuclear disasters, because if you were, you’d know there’s far more to it, and it’s far more complicated than just whipping out dicks and comparing deaths.
On the nuclear disaster scale, I’d say I’m about an 8 on the not being surprised you think so scale.
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I’d say you are an 11 on a scale of 10 on the ‘taking comments out of context to create strawmen’ scale…
-XT