Stoopid School System

The BBQ Pit
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Okay, I got my eight hours of sleep. Thank goodness it’s Saturday. At least, I think it’s Saturday. I’ve been on maternity leave for a couple of weeks now. I’m actually busier at home, and I lose track of where I am in space and time.

I was going to try & think of something nice to say, but I haven’t had any coffee yet. But since this is the Pit, I’ll say this–I think Kryptonite is a troll-in-training. Okay, now I’m going to go drink some coffee, make sure my child doesn’t set my house on fire, and try & accomplish all the things grown-ups have to deal with.

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Nah, Krptonite’s not a troll=in=training; he/she/it/whatever is just stupid.

I use the word stupid based on two items of evidence:

  1. First post in this thread, which contains numerous errors in spelling, context, grammar, and logical progression.

  2. Statement from kryptonite that he/she/it/whatever can survive “out there” in the real world.

Let’s address number 2). Okay, Kryp; exactly how did you survive? As a minor, you certainly weren’t renting your own place on your own. As a minor, still in school, you certainly weren’t holding a full-time job. At least not legally. Now if you were hanging out in a crack house and supplying your needs with some drug sales, then you might’ve been paying for stuff on your own; however, a life of crime is not “making it in the real world.” It’s “not making it.” The most likely answer is that your parents or other guardians were supplying you with free room and board and that your concept of “making it in the real world” means that your part-time job paid for the little extra frills.

I await your Ben Abbattesque response.

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Kryptonite said:

“…saying how i cant become a teacher till i get teached…”

Gracious, I’m glad you’re intending to teach history and not, say, English. For someone in the “99th percentile” your lack of punctuation and grammar is atrocious. My nine year old niece can do better. If you do know these skills and merely choose not to use them, you come off as a total dumb-ass. (Review the other threads on this topic, I’m not the only ones who feel this way!)

Kryptonite also said:

“…sorry guys but i didnt think my post were that incoherent. you people must be stoopid…”

No, Kryptonite, you are the one who is stupid, and an ignorant little troll-bait to boot. Start applying to McDonald’s now, because no college (or other non-menial job) will take someone with such poor communication skills.

I throw cow-pies in your general direction,
Prairie Rose

If you’re not part of the solution you’re just scumming up the bottom of the beaker.

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Sigh

Ok, I wouldn't be bitching about doing work if I were fucking making a living. I am not making a living, I am wasting my time right now. My posts might not have been crystal clear, but they were damn good enough for you to see that:

  1. I am complaining that I am not learning the skills needed for life.

  2. How the school system obviously isn’t working.
    Instead, I’ve gotten this bunch of hogwash from all of you about my grammar. You’ve all negated from directing replies about the school system.

    I cook and clean too. I could move out the day I turn 18 and move into the projects that are 10 blocks away. Lets see, free electricity and water. I’d pay about $200 a month, maybe even less. I can take public transportation to places I need to go (as opposed to the limo I’m driven in now) and since I’m a white clean cut male I could easily get an $8 an hour job. Thank god for bigots, because I would be the most likely to get promoted and pay raises Etc. I already have a CD account, with an ATM card too. Perhaps I’d get a Discover Card and get some cash back bonuses with my meager purchases.

    The prior paragraph is not my dream in life, but it could happen. I am going to continue in school since I have to. This entire topic wasn’t about myself dropping out of high school!! Oh, and I get 15page reports and I’ve taken some college courses in school. I don’t anymore, since it’s a waste of my time.

Cristi/Doobeius - If I ever had a family, It would be because I chose to do so. I did not choose to go to school, so it isn’t the same even if raising children is a billion times harder…which I know it is.

Once again, if I ever post a topic in the pit fire the howitzer. I will give the coodrinates on request. This was supposed to be how I and others aren’t learning because the schools aren’t doing the right thing, but all have changed it to “Kryptonite Bashing 101”. Whatever…

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“Instead, I’ve gotten this bunch of hogwash from all of you about my grammar. You’ve all negated from directing replies about the school system.”

Ummm . . . What the fuck?
(OK, I’m done with grammar-bashing. But it’s so damn funny!)

Kryptonite, your points are that you aren’t learning what you feel you need to know and that school isn’t “working,” right?

So what’s the problem? What’s keeping you from learning? Is it the fact that you don’t like the structure? Or the presentation of information? Or do you simply feel that schools shouldn’t teach the stuff you don’t feel you should know (like math)?

I’m seriously curious abou this.

-andros-

There’s always a bigger fish.

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Thanks, Krypto. That post was much easier to read & understand. I knew you could do it…it was just a question of when. :slight_smile:

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Kryptonine: your last post shows that evidently the school system in your district is working to an extent. You were able to post something which, although inane, was at least intelligible.

Now as to why I call it inane:

Being an 18 year old, White, Male is not all that’s required to get AND KEEP a job.

I add your assertion that it is as number 3) to why I consider you to be stupid.

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Kryp, your last posting was MUCH better.

About your little scenario: You’ve already said that “it isn’t your dream life”. Good. You don’t like school, you don’t agree with the system? IT ISN’T GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE KRYPTONITE DOESN’T LIKE IT. Like I’ve suggested before, talk to your teachers and your guidance couselour about transferring to higher level classes or advancing to the next grade.

If you really want to be a teacher, concentrate on your own schooling first. After you’ve graduated college and become a teacher, you’ll be in a better position to make changes. On that note, keep in mind our comments about grammar and presentation. Your students will pay you zero respect if you can’t communicate with them clearly. For that matter, not many people will pay you any attention or respect, regardless what profession you enter.

Veni, Vidi, Visa … I came, I saw, I bought.

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I don’t know what alternate realm Kryptonite spends his off-board time in, but in the one I’m in, Bill Cosby has a BA in Physical Education with a minor in Child Psychology, so there.

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Kryptonite: I believe your statement

is not only the crux, but the sum, of your argument.

First: that comment from a child usually is interpreted as “Wah!” and only as “Wah!”

Second: Granted, you did not choose to go to school. Now that we have that out of the way, please answer the following questions, in order.

  1. How do you plan on getting education?

  2. Whatever that answer is, it probably entails expending some funds of your own, so how do you plan on earning that money yourself?

  3. If your answer to number 2) was “with my CD account” then that’s dismissed. After all, you owe your parents for the room and board. That is, unless you don’t want to be “making it on your own.”

  4. Okay, let’s move on to the next query. Since we’ve discounted the CD account (anyway, that’ll dry up without an infusion of cash), what kind of job will you have without a high school diploma?

  5. I’ll take it on your word that you’re not blind or deaf; what will you say to prove you’re not stupid? So far, you’re proving that you are.

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Kryptonite (and others): In case you were wondering why I didn’t say you owed the City, County, or State for the education they’ve already provided, I believe your first post has already shown the value of that education in your case.

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Yo, Kryp. Yeah, I dissed your gram and punk, but I also lauded your irony and vocabulary. This isn’t a case where you’re only seeing what you want to see, is it?

For example, with school, sure, it has its faults for all the good it’s supposed to be doing. You’re not just focusing on the faults, now, are ya?

Yes, many aspects of school suck.

Yes, many teachers suck.

Yes, many requirements not only seem unnecessary, they will turn out to actually be unnecessary.

But…

Many aspects of schooling are necessary, and there are some good teachers.

A story: I hated phys. ed. with a passion. Yet, it taught me archery, tennis, golf, and other ‘life sports’ (as they called them). I never thought how useful these things were – I took them for granted whenever I went golfing or played tennis. One day, I was on vacation and the hotel had a handball court. My friend and I got the equipment but there were no directions. We couldn’t play because we didn’t know how. That’s when I said to myself, “Wish they made me play this in high school.”

So, you just might find some of the inanities actually useful some day. Of couse, this doesn’t take away your justified dissatisfaction with teachers who are just plain awful or with being treated like just another brick in the wall.

Now, here are three things to consider:

  1. If you’re that smart, you should have been put in advanced placement (aka ‘gifted and talented’) so that you’re challenged. AP teachers are usually the better ones. If you’re not in AP, ask for it.

  2. If you’re that smart, don’t be bitchin’ ‘bout how school work is oppressin’ you. As a certified curve-breaking, MENSA-candidate, poindexter geek myself, I know the dirty little secret that geniuses carry around, namely, school work is easy. I could do all of yesterday’s homework on the bus ride to school that morning. Also, study time is practically nil for us. I always carried a full or more-than-full load of classes both in HS and college because out-of-class work was a breeze. Smart people complaining about the academic load are bullshit artists (unless they’re actually doing something really advanced or really demanding, like studying to be a doctor).

  3. Consider that your frustration with the reponses you’re getting springs from the fact that we’re not chiming in, “Oh, yes, you poor thing, school is horrible!” We, your fellow smarties of the world felt like you did when we went through it. Now that we’re out, we realize its importance. We’re not telling you it’s good because we want you to bear the same pain we went through, we’re telling you it’s good because we’ve learned from it, and we want you to, too.

Peace.

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I notice that all any of you can to is to excoriate the way Kryptonite says anything rather than to take issue with what he says. So I will say the following.

School in general and high school in particular is a good idea. But it is pathetically mismanaged. I went to a very prestigious high school and I hated it.

This includes the mind-numbing calculus class which I will never use as a librarian/writer/activist;

the excruciating physed class for which I had no use and failed to provide on a physical level in two years what I got in two months after starting to walk up the mountain to college;

the “nonsectarian school’s” school hymn;

the “school which believes in diversity” and showed it by putting us in uniforms;

not taking a shower at school in two years because I was terrified of being gaybashed;

my grade 10 English teacher who said my essays were not long enough and my grade 11 English teacher who said they weren’t long enough;

the clueless administration who failed to consider that maybe I was antisocial because most of the other students were terrifying jerks;

the prom to which I brought a clueless girl to maintain the pretense that I was heterosexual, which I left at midnight, and which continued for another 24 straight hours in a wild symphony of wretched excess, cigars, and teenage alcoholism;

and the chemistry teacher who tried to get me to drink dilute hydrochloric acid. (I am not making this up. Imagine 28 pubescent boys shouting at you in unison, led by the teacher, "DRINK - IT! DRINK - IT! DRINK - IT!)

There is a lot to hate in high school. Sure, I learned a lot, but I look back on it with no pleasure or pride, and in fact with a great deal of embarrassment.

In contrast to college and university, during which I garnered some of my finest academic moments, I hated high school from start to finish and I am damned glad to be rid of it. Why can’t you recognize that Kryptonite has his (valid) reasons for saying the same, other than being “stoopid”?

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I dreamt I was back in uniform
And a candidate for examination
History - someone had blunder’d -
And a voice rapped, “Knuckle under!”
Living on the law just short of delusion,
When we fall in love there’s confusion,
This must be the place I waited years to leave.

  • Pet Shop Boys, “This must be the place I waited years to leave” (Very)
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My bad. I meant, of course, “and my grade 11 English teacher who said they were too long”.

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Matt, I truly am saddened to hear of your high school experiences, and I’m glad that you were able to cope with it without blowing up the gymnasium or committing suicide.

However, I don’t think that these are problems that Kryptonite is having. He’s only said that he’s not feeling challenged enough, in effect, that he’s somehow above school. By the nature of his posts, we’ve all disagreed and, in so many words, have told him that he needs to continue with school.
I’ll thank you to scroll back and read my posts to Kryptonite, wherein I specifically suggested that take steps to advance to the next grade and/or involve himself with the National Honour Society (or as someone else mentioned the Talented and Gifted.)

He claims he’s dissatisfied with the school system, yet he has no interest in trying to make changes, not even personal ones (as moving to a different class, etc.) His answer is to just chuck it all and move into “the projects that are 10 blocks away.”

He further demonstrates his obvious “teenagerhood” by assuming the following:

Clearly, he has no idea how much it costs to live. (FYI Kryp, even if those apartments do include the cost of utilities in the rent, you aren’t going to get a rent break unless you are handicapped, on a fixed income (as in Social Security), or a single woman with children.)

Kryptonite is not looking for solutions to the sad state of the school system. He is looking for someone to reinforce his misguided belief that his teachers are stupid and that of all the kids who hate school, he’s the one who doesn’t actually need it.

You can go ahead and back him up if you want, but I won’t. I’ve been through this too many times with other teenagers, all of whom were very intelligent, and all of whom have learned (too late) that they should have listened to the people they consulted for advice on this very matter.

Once again, Kryp, if you really think there are changes that need to be made within the school system, finish your schooling, do all you can to hone your presentation and debate skills, and finish college. If at that time you still decide to become a teacher, you’ll be in a far better position to initiate the discussions that may lead to the changes you’re looking for.

Veni, Vidi, Visa … I came, I saw, I bought.

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I’m back (like anyone cares).

Back in my high school days we had the option of taking certain courses, like English Honors and Algebra or Calculus. These courses were electives; not required.

IIRC, don’t all school’s have this same policy? You could either breeze through high school taking the required english, math science, and history classes (for your diploma) or you could further your education early on and elect to take honor courses for a headstart on college.

In other words, why would someone take a class they might not like?

Confusious Say:
-Man who stand on toilet,
Is high on pot-

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Kryptonite, if it’s any consolation, I loathed high school and life seemed to accelerate the moment I got out. And yes, I loathed PE with a passion that has never stopped. It took me years to discover that exercise and sports could be fun.

BUT while I was hating it I was still learning a lot that proved to be absolutely crucial to success and survival later. Some of the things that bothered me the most ended up being the most valuable. The point is that right now you just simply don’t have enough grounding and background to tackle life and achieve the best you could. Nobody but you knows what form that achievement would take, but it is absolutely certain that without a solid educational background you’re chances at WHAT YOU WANT will be cut to almost zero.

Some of the teachers and classes I had were awful. Some of any profession are bad. But most were dedicated folks who had a lot in their brains to pass onto me, even if their presentation style or whatever (like my dimness in the subject area) made it rough going at times. And I speak as someone who went on to earn two masters degrees.

Krypt, the thing that concerns me the most is your eagerness to get out threre and tackle life. If you think high school is full of pointless exercises, wasted time and absurdity, “real life” will drive you NUTS! It’s a rare night that I don’t bring a stack of work home, because the day was taken up dealing with forms, regulations. cranky people, more forms, complaints, pointless phone calls, and more paperwork. And all of it has to be patiently and respectfully. (I’m currently working on a grant application–at home!–and it’s already over 150 pages long. And I don’t have the full budget breakdowns done yet.)

The point has been made earlier and better, but the posters were right. I’m in charge of hiring and directing a workforce, and no, based on what you’ve presented so far, I wouldn’t hire you, either.

The standard figure is that 80% (that is not a typo) of a manager’s time is spent handling personel related issues. That sounds conservative to me. An employee who can work with others, doesn’t complain constantly and actually TACKLES the job is gold, pure gold. A lot of it skill, but the attitude is crucial, too. If you find it hard to handle the frustrations and boredom of high school, the real world would eat you alive right now.

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Folks, I hate to point this out but I don’t think Kryptonite will post here again. He wanted us to echo back and we didn’t. He won’t listen to us, he doesn’t want our advice, he wants our agreement. Obviously, he’s not getting it so he moved on.

Last thoughts:

Take the GED and get out early if you’re so fucking smart.

Go live in the projects and get shot by a drug dealer, that will help clean up the gene pool. One massive idiot down, millions to go. FTR I’m not saying everyone living in “the projects” is a drug dealer or deserves to die. I know many of those folks struggle for a better life but K WANTS to go there…

Teacher? You couldn’t teach my dog to fart or my cats to eat vomit.

Think for yourself? Yeah, you are doing that. Too bad you can’t think with some common sense thrown in. Bummer! You’ll be another one of those people that I end up supporting with my tax dollars by the time you are 18.

I thought Brithael was bad, but Christ in a side car, you are far worse! I’ve actually gotten over my fight with Brithael and reached an understanding. With you? Nope. You STILL don’t get it and probably never will.

Anyway, good luck (you’ll need it) and I hope to god you don’t reproduce.

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Byzantine wrote:

Heck, you can’t teach cats to do ANYTHING. They’re about as easy to train as a steel brick with an attitude problem.

I’m not flying fast, just orbiting low.