That’s not how it always plays out on the ground - far too often, men are assumed to be the perpetrators rather than the victims of domestic violence. There are plenty of women abusing men; we don’t hear about it much, but it does happen, and more often than people realize.
I stand corrected then. I admit I didn’t actually go to the website itself, since it’s not the sort of thing I need to see when I first get up in the morning, but from what the OP said I didn’t have much reason to think that these folks had enough brains to name themselves something that would make sense.
Nothing else said in this thread has given me a reason to make me think otherwise.
I’ve certainly been hearing this talking point a lot lately, both from opponents of the Violence Against Women Act and from so-called “Men’s Rights Activists”, and yet I haven’t ever been able to track down any evidence that there are all that many men who are the victims of domestic violence perpetrated by women.
If you have a serious citation, I’d like to see it, something that at least references some statistical data. Even the weaker form of the claim that floats around, that a lot of domestic violence is mutual (as opposed to the stereotype of domestic violence being generally man-on-woman), when I tried tracking it down, seems to be based almost entirely on the work of a single researcher, and I wasn’t able to find any quantitative data in a quick perusal of his work.
Where would a group like this get its funding?!
Not from very savory sources, I would imagine. It seems part of their specific agenda is to get rid of laws that allow immigrants who are victims of domestic violence to leave their spouses and still obtain their green cards, because this allows scheming foreign women a path to “free” citizenship by claiming to have been abused. The problem, of course, is that without such laws, abusive men can use the threat of deportation to control their mail-order brides.
Interestingly enough, SAVE’s treasurer founded a mail-order bride company. If their stated motives were true, one would think SAVE’s executives wouldn’t facilitate these scheming foreign women in their quest to trap innocent American men.
We’ve gone around on this subject on these boards before more than once; I’m at work at the moment and not free to do a big search, but we have produced cites for this before. I’m not making this up; women do indeed physically abuse men, at surprising rates.
Just for context, that is already required by state law in maybe half of the states.
That actually made me laugh out loud.
Bricker, I thought visas for immigrant victims of domestic violence was already a thing. Isn’t that what a U-visa is for?
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From a personal sample of one, my ex-wife routinely physically assaulted me, including assaulting me in my sleep more than a handful of times (in less than a year of marriage), while constantly making vague and detail free claims of the reverse to anyone who would listen.
Men account for something like 15% of reported victims of domestic violence. Given how unlikely it is for men to report it in the first place, or to be believed when they do, that figure is definitely extremely low.
Regardless, Domestic Violence is a problem in any direction, and I generally support steps to reduce it and punish offenders.
HOWEVER, I have to take issue with anyone or any bill that proclaims that it is against violence “against Women”, as this tends to demonize men and dismiss male victims. Likewise I take strong issue with any idea that THE MAN should automatically be arrested whenever there is any claim of Domestic Violence.
Actually, it’s about 40%. Of victims hurt bad enough to visit a hospital, 38% are men. Misinformation is one reason that SAVE exists.
You could learn that 90% of the “DV Education” our VAWA taxpayer dollars buy is incorrect, if you visit our website for yourselves instead of taking other people’s word for it. http://www.saveservices.org/downloads/SAVE-DV-Educational-Programs
SAVE is being misrepresented here. Learn the truth for yourselves: http://www.saveservices.org
False allegations are very real. I know men and women who are victims. One in six know someone who has been falsely accused. http://www.saveservices.org/falsely-accused/survey/
We have been able to strengthen accountability in the DV industry. The GAO and the DOJ have found misuse of funds, fraud and corruption. Victims have been getting turned away while money was spent on conferences and executives enjoyed six-figure incomes. How exactly is it a bad thing to expect our money to be spent the way we all intended?
Hi, teriincali - thanks for stopping by and for the links. I will check them out.
Y’know, I’m guessing . . . [clicks . . . clicks] . . . yep, that was teriincali’s first post ever.
Links from the actual organization that is trying to roll back laws against domestic violence.
That’s . . . educational. Sadly, I have a feeling you’ve found a bunch of people who are very willing to believe your propaganda.
Thanks Cat.
Brain, does that matter?
Mister, you are rude. And you are purposely trying to mislead people. Hmmm…have an agenda, maybe? We can prove everything we say. It’s all on the website.
We are NOT trying to “roll back” DV laws. That’s propaganda from the DV industry, the people misusing your money. We even authored out own bill, the Partner Violence Reduction Act. If you had visited the website, Mister, you would know that.
It does. IME, and I’ve been a Doper for a long time now, anyone who joins just to post on one topic (1) has nothing of value to contribute about anything, (2) not even on that topic.
There just aren’t enough :rolleyes:.
Actually, not always, which at the time enraged quite few of the feminists who pushed for such laws. They had assumed there was an epidemic of women victims being ignored; but when mandatory arrest laws were passed after feminist lobbying, the result in many cases was women being arrested whose abusive behavior the police had previously had a policy of ignoring*. My favorite feminist response to this was the claim that the men were beating and stabbing themselves to make women look bad.
*IIRC, absent such laws the general police pattern is to always arrest the man in a heterosexual relationship; to arrest the bigger woman in a lesbian relationship; and in interracial or gay couples to refuse to arrest anyone until it has escalated to murder. It’s not what you do, it’s what you are.
This sub-forum is dedicated to hostility.
Or in this case, is from the group in question. As I understand it, and correct me if I am wrong, the group desires to make it harder for abused women who are dependent upon their American husbands for their immigration status to complain about being abused.
Correct me if I am wrong.
In other business, we have a new member and have certain ceremonies to prepare.