Evidence is irrelevant to mister nyxx

[Boyo_Jim]

There is another thread about a rather offensive mailing done by a Democratic (leaning) organization called the Greater Wisconsin Political Fund. It is an attempt to shame voters into getting out and voting against Scott Walker in Tuesday’s recall election. It lists your name and 12 of your neighbors and tells you all who voted (or didn’t) in the last two elections, and promises to provide the same information about who doesn’t show up to vote on Tuesday.

There is no doubt about the source or the affiliations of the organizations responsible for this mailing. The name was on the mailing, there are stories all over the media about the mailing, and the organization is not denying sending it out. I provided a link to a local news story about political spending in Wisconsin. It has a section about the Greater Wisconsin Committee, which has received millions of dollars in funding from the Democratic Governor’s Association, the Democratic Attorney Generals Association, and several corporations and labor unions. The Greater Wisconsin Committee’s website explicitly acknowledges a connection between it and the Political Fund, and the two organizations share the same email address for public contact.

mr nyxx, however, doubts they are real Democrats, even though I had already posted the links above.

This could just be my partisanship and general paranoia talking, but I sort of wonder if this might actually be a smear attempt trying to make it look like a Democratic-affiliated organization is doing something obnoxious.

It could be real – left-leaning groups are way more likely to try to push non-voters and occasional voters to the polls than right-leaning groups. But it’s hard for me to imagine how anyone working in politics could possibly think this would do anything besides make the group sending it out look bad.

Another poster noted the many of the names of supporters of the Committee are trial lawyers, another well known group of Democratic supporters in Wisconsin.

mr nyxx agrees that the Political Fund did the mailing, but still suspects they are Republicans in disguise.

…I don’t think there’s any doubt that this “Greater Wisconsin Political Fund” is the author of these campaigns. But that doesn’t mean they are a legitimate left-wing group. They may be sponsored by GOP donors in order to make the anti-Scott Brown campaign look bad.

After I repeat that these organizations are known, it’s not enough for mr nyxx. First, he admits he knows absolutely nothing about the organizations, and then asks for information about them which I’ve already provided.

Are they? I’m not from around there and God knows it’s hard to keep track of the 527s and 501(c)s just in my state, let alone elsewhere. I haven’t been able to find out anything about them from Googling. If you know of some source for information about them I’d be much obliged.

Then says:

…As a matter of fact, I had already visited your links, which all show that it’s a shadowy group with no formal connections to any left-wing organization, which is part of why I tried to figure out who they were, and then was struck by the paucity of information…

I mentioned an example from this election cycle of a right wing group attempting to appeal to me as a known strong Dem voter in order to persuade me to vote in the GOP primary for their favorite candidate. At least one single solitary right-wing group has decided that a strategy of pretending to be left-wing is useful in their political machinations.

I mean, I suppose it’s possible that mine is the only state in the union in which right-wing groups have seized on the tactic of trying to appear to be left-wing in order to accomplish their political goals. Does that hypothesis seem plausible to you?..

Then, after I again refer him (rudely, I’ll admit) to my links, he posts

…The particular people running these non-partisan organizations are not necessarily tied to any particular ideology and if you actually knew anything about how these types of political groups work, you’d know that. Even if we were discussing an explicitly left-wing group, if you think everyone in their leadership actually is left-wing, you’re dreaming.

I have no idea what this organization is or what they’re doing. I asked for information, in an attempt to decide whether it was a dirty trick or a typically incompetent move by a leftist political group. You can’t provide any information and now you’re angry at me for not accepting your evidence-free assertion.

The bolding and underlining is mine.

Then I posted the quote from the Isthmus referencing the Committee’s funding from mainstream Democratic organizations, and asked him (rudely, I’ll admit) to STFU unless he had any information to the contrary, he posts:

Yes, I’ve noticed this tendency in this community for posters to equate asking for more information with an assertion. Fortunately, I’m not that stupid. And I’m going to continue looking for actual information about this organization before I draw any conclusions. You don’t have any information, so I’ll look for it elsewhere.

The bolding and underlining is again mine.

WTF does this guy need? I think many of you know that I’m a flaming liberal, not someone trying to drag the Democrats through the mud on any pretext. But sometimes they get some mud on themselves, and they deserve some shit for this.

And mr nyxx is a deliberately obtuse dick.

[Dave_Hartwick]

I’m not sure it’s deliberate.

[Sleeps_With_Butterflies]

The thread you’re ranting about is already in the pit and the stuff you’re ranting about is not a hijack to that topic, it’s on topic. Is there are reason you couldn’t just continue this pissing match between the two of you right where it belongs: in that thread?

[Boyo_Jim]

Yes, because I am pissed off, and I think mr nyxx deserves special attention and scorn.

[Dave_Hartwick]

It’s good from my point of view because I’m interested in seeing nyxx get what’s coming to him but not interested in that thread.

[mister_nyx]

You are not a good speller, and this is not a good thread.

When I asked, quite reasonably, for more evidence, I think I did so in a polite manner. I certainly wasn’t trying to pick a fight and I think a look at my first posts at that thread would confirm that to most people.

I am sorry about your insecurities but I stand by my posts. Your evidence was poor, and your overreaction was pretty pathetic.

ETA: I hope people wanting to evaluate this argument will examine the original posts rather than the truncated version that our friend Jim has posted here.

[Bryan_Ekers]

@Boyo_Jim

Yes, because I am pissed off, and I think mr nyxx deserves special attention and scorn.

For being a deliberately obtuse dick? You could give special attention and scorn to one Doper a week and not get to nyxx until Columbus Day.
Columbus Day, 2014…

[mister_nyx]

@Bryan_Ekers

For being a deliberately obtuse dick? You could give special attention and scorn to one Doper a week and not get to nyxx until Columbus Day.
Columbus Day, 2014…

To be honest, I think this is still a little unfair. I feel like I was both polite and definitely open to information – and that’s what I was actually looking for. My failure to respond to his posts wasn’t in any way “obtuse” or “dick”-ish, it was because his posts were stupid. It seems unfair that I would be the subject of scorn because I failed to be fleeced by stupidity.

[Bryan_Ekers]

Well, if I can be honest… I haven’t read the other thread or even closely scanned the OP of this one. I’m just being a smartass.

[BigT]

Um, after reading that, I’d be more inclined to believe you were on ignore. Not that I’ve checked the other thread yet. But it doesn’t sound like in your OP that he ever directly responds to you.

[BigT]

And now that I have read them, I see I was wrong. And my response is WTF. AT you. You were the first person who brought up the idea that they were a shadowy organization that you didn’t know about:

@Boyo_Jim

I little research is making me very leery of the Greater Wisconsin Political Fund.

Their website has no “contact us” link, no names, no it solicits money but not volunteers, and the contact info they have is the same as the Greater Wisconsin Committee.

The Greater Wisconsin Committee is another shadowy organization, according to this article in Madison’s Isthmus newspaper:

Michelle McGrorty, GWC executive director, didn’t return a call seeking updated information. A former fund-raiser for convicted state Sen. Chuck Chvala, McGrorty testified under immunity about illegal fund-raising activities during the state Capitol caucus investigation.

The Fund seems to be the openly political arm of the Committee, though the committee claims non-partisanship.

You just got through admitting that you didn’t think these people were what they seemed. If anything, I thought you’d be agreeing with mister nyx. What the fuck?

[kayaker]

Anyone else bothered by requests for a cite in the pit? I’d like to see a mod say, “if you are going to request a cite, take it to Great Debates, fucker!”

[Labrador_Deceiver]

@kayaker

Anyone else bothered by requests for a cite in the pit? I’d like to see a mod say, “if you are going to request a cite, take it to Great Debates, fucker!”

I have no idea why people think cites aren’t allowed in the pit. People are expected to, you know, offer evidence to support their claims in any forum.

[kayaker]

@Labrador_Deceiver

I have no idea why people think cites aren’t allowed in the pit. People are expected to, you know, offer evidence to support their claims in any forum.

Got a cite for that, motherfucker?:dubious:

[Labrador_Deceiver]

@kayaker

Got a cite for that, motherfucker?:dubious:

Well played, sir.

[MsRobyn]

I hate to bump this thread, but I didn’t want to start a new one.

I just want to say that mister nyx is a fucking whiner and the whining is tiresome. Dude, if you don’t like it here, just leave and don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Or stop the whining. Your call.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

Ayup. That’s my impression as well. (Also, I tried to have a nice clean thread with a DNFTT theme we could direct future racists to, and he decided to shit it all up. Jerk.)

[bucketybuck]

@MsRobyn

I hate to bump this thread, but I didn’t want to start a new one.

I just want to say that mister nyx is a fucking whiner and the whining is tiresome. Dude, if you don’t like it here, just leave and don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Or stop the whining. Your call.

Damn right. I just read his whiney bitchcakes routine in ATMB, moaning that the mods didn’t ban somebody quick enough for his liking. What an utter pillock.

The mods followed the usual procedure and then banned the guy anyway, but because mister nyx felt personally offended by New Deal Democrat he feels that;

Obviously some changes are needed in the way this place is run. It’s inarguable that the moderators need either a whole lot of reinstruction or else a bunch of staff changes

He sounds like the kind of pompus fuckwit who demands a waitress be sacked if she spilt water at his table.

[Smeghead]

He appears to be in the early stages of suicide-by-mod.

[Darth_Panda]

@Smeghead

He appears to be in the early stages of suicide-by-mod.

Tell him to hurry it the fuck up.