Apparently, these fuckwads think it’s a good idea.
http://fathers.ourfamily.com/19th.htm
:rolleyes:
I wasn’t sure where this should go. I’m sure everyone would probably not be inagreement with this, but I still thought that Great Debates might stir up some interesting debate on the subject
BTW, if it is in the wrong forum, I humbly bow before the Gods/esses (Mods) and trust them to move it wherever it should go.
(Shameless ass kissing never hurts!)
i read it…i can’t believe i actually got through it but i read it. i wonder how they compiled all those figures and then blame it solely on the 19th amendment and not on any other social phenom…just a thought…i mean gosh we have had all sorts of crap happen that could have had impact on the stuff listed…but hey if it floats their boat…let them try… i’d like to see them 'em get laughed out of the country…
Perhaps this thread belongs in The Pit, because I have a few choice words I’d like to say that would only be appropriate there.
12th Grade girls show 0% knowledge of physics? What kind of claptrap is that? I scored a 83 on my physics regents in the 12th grade and I was drunk most of my senior year!
I’m not sure this is even worth my vitrol. Stupid fuck. I think I will email him.
Did you see how many women signed at the bottom? Weird, yet bizarre - not to mention unusual.
I can never tell whether crap like this is a joke or not. I mean, c’mon, nobody’s this stupid. They can’t be!
Oh well, it’s all for the better anyway. I’ve always felt that if you give people enough rope, they’ll eventually hang themselves. What better argument is there against school prayer and other such fundamentalist nonsense than the fact that these nutjobs are among the biggest supporters?
Well, in their second graph, it would appear that the increase in Federal Budget coincided with the Great Depression.
What I find interesting is that they want to strip women of the vote, but are more than willing to accept the female votes on their list.
I liked the statistics that showed the “sinister” correlation between women voting and government spending, without any proof of causality whatsoever. What the fuck does the right to vote have to do with the federal budget? And how much physics do you suppose those toothless idiots know, anyway? I had fun signing their guestbook, though.
Don’t miss the “Read the entire petition” link. The official document petitioning for repeal of the 19th amendment—which, presumably, they intend to send right along to Congress or God or somebody official like that—includes such gems as
Well, the Founding Fathers these guys ain’t.
What I found very interesting was that they claimed support from an article studying federal spending after women’s suffrage coauthored by Chicago economist John Lott, the uncrowned king of the shaky correlation. (“Giving women the vote causes more government spending!” “Carrying handguns reduces gun violence!” Mmmmm-hmmmm. Well, if I want to argue about Lott I guess I should take it to the “get-a-gun” thread.)
Well, the price of liberty is constant vigilance, I guess. Maybe we should be trying to resuscitate the ERA after all…
I’m going to say this has to be a joke. There may well be people around who are dumb enough to believe that women shouldn’t have the right to vote, but I doubt there are any dumb enough to think they could repeal the 19th Amendment when 51% of the electorate is female.
Besides, the most shattering event in US history–and the one which really started tipping the balance of power to the federal government–was the Civil War. The electorate at that time was 100% male.
This reminds me of an episode of “The Man Show” where the two fellas went to the streets to get people to sign a petition to repeal womens suffage. I couldn’t believe how many people DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT MEANT. Ignorance is truly bliss in the US.
If you look how they handle the statistics, it is laughable. They substracted the percent that could be gotten from chance from the percent of correct answers. Questions where people are doing worse than chance realvent. If you don’t know it, you don’t know it. Doing worse than chance doesn’t show you know something less than someone doing only as well as chance.
They include with the statistics that the US is dead last in testing. And this has something to do with women voting, how so? In every country that is doing better than the US in testing, women are allowed to vote.
On the same page as the girls physic test results they have a link to a diatribe that Marie Curie was a fraud. It is all interesting, I think it points to something about the logic of this group. I believe they think the intellegence needed to vote is somehow tied to excellence in math and science. Hence, they focus on physics test scores and trying to debunk Marie Curie.
In the Marie Curie section they spend their time trying to say that Pierre somehow gave half of the 1903 award to Marie. Of course, they don’t mention the second Nobel prize Marie won all by herself eight years later in 1911. Maybe Pierre helped her with that one too, but he’d have to have done it from beyond the grave. He was killed in 1906 after being overrun by a car.
Here’s the line that really pissed me off.
The ignorence in this statement is mind boggling. I’d like to say to them, “Come down to the lab I work in, and I’ll show them to you.” It makes you want to tear your hair out.
This isn’t a debate, this is a group rant. Which is all that braindead excuse for a webpage deserves, anyway. Yeah, this is definitely a Pit thread. Only in the Pit can this thread be done justice.
Anyway, the trogs who wrote that page are obviously knuckledraggers whose benighted minds were never wide enough to admit the more advanced topics of Dick and Jane. They suffer from a form of blindness sadly common today: Philosophical blindness. Unable to see the wisdom in anything other than their own masturbatory fantasies, they blindly lash out at the rest of us, tossing their own feces and semen and howling, much like many species of primate. I’ll be able to do a better commentary once this thread is in the Pit and shielded from the sensitive, gentle folk here in GD.
why are the women signing that? they can have my right to vote when they pry it from my cold, dead haNds!!!
MAY I HURL NOW? THIS IS THE SORT OF LUNATIC CRAP I EXPECT FROM DUBYA BUSH AND A FEW RARE OTHERS.
::Looks for nearest wastebasket and chunders::
What the hell are those graphs supposed to represent? They make it sound as if a high GDP is bad. The higher the GDP, the more money we’re making. So, why is this bad again?
Sorry to hijack this exquisite thread, however…
This is pretty petty of you Kimstu. Did you actually get the .pdf to load? I couldn’t.
Also, if you think Lott’s massive crime study is “shaky correlation”, maybe you should actually read it. For example, he doesn’t claim that "Carrying handguns reduces gun violence!” He claims that shall-issue CCW laws reduce crime, and the numbers prove it. So, yes, take it to the “get-a-gun” thread.
Zenster, don’t be an moron. G. W. Bush would never support this kind of thing, his wife would castrate him. He also would never be elected president.
Women probably aren’t signing this “petition”. How hard is it to put a woman’s name on a HTML form? Here, watch, I can do it too:
Petition to have women to clean my house!
Jane Doe
Sara Smith
Barbara Whatever
Jennifer Whatsherface
and so on…
See how easy that was? Look at all the women who signed my petition!
I wonder if any of the authors of that site ever noticed that the point where they claim giving women the right to vote caused untold damage to the economy also coincided with a War or two, and an itty-bitty Depression?
Uhhh, Demise? About your sig line: Did you notice the mouth-breathers on that other site had a Jefferson quote of their own backing up their argument? Jefferson didn’t want women to vote. Politics sure makes for strange bed-fellows, all right.
What’s odd is that the authors of that site are AGAINST capital punishment. (As am I.) Why are they against it?
They do? News to me. They also note that there have been
Well, ur, uh, thanks for being on my side. I think.
I remember reading in one of my Beka Book (a Xian textbook company) history textbooks about the 19th amendment. It actually claimed that giving women the right to vote destroyed the family’s ability to be unified in their political support.
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It irritates me whenever someone uses a quote by the “founding fathers” to prove anything. People have it in their heads that that founding fathers were some kind of divine messengers and that the Constitution and DOI are infallible. C’mon people, the founding fathers were slave owning assholes. They didn’t know much more about anything than anybody else. They were people, and basically the same as people everywhere.
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reply to Tzel’s hijack.
I suspect the reason folks quote the FF’s so much will lie with the subject at hand.
For example, when one is discussing the relative merits of Puff Daddy’s new CD, the only time the FF may be mention is in relation to the right of free speech.
When the discussion is centered on US constitutional arguements, then the FF’s thoughts, as expressed, may give a clue as to their intent with the constitution etc.
Demise wrote:
Demise, I have read the “massive” (68 pages) Lott-Mustard study (and would be very suprised if Kimstu has not; but that’s hers to answer). IMNSHO, it does not show a link between “shall issue” laws and a “reduction of crime”, nor does it show, as he actually claims, a causal link between the nationwide reduction in violent crime and shall-issue.
Of course, since he was starting with a particular belief firmly in mind, he retained those statistics which seemed to support his belief and ignored anything which didn’t. This is the same modus operandi he exhibits with Larry Kenny for this latest piece of academic garbage (and yes, I got the .pdf to load, not that it was worth it).
I’m glad that Kimstu pointed out the Lott connection, as it gives a whole new group of intelligent people the opportunity to question his “science.”