Guess what, ladies, we're ruining this country!

The BBQ Pit
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I’m so furious I could spit. Here is the URL for a web site called “Father’s Manifesto” http://members.easyspace.com/fathers/ that not only bashes the feminist movement of the last 30 years, but women in general. Did you know that women really are worse drivers than men? Women have ruined the public education system? Women can’t do math (ok, so I’m no good at math, and even said that on my own web page, but I know plenty of women who are)? Never should have gotten the vote because they aren’t smart enough to understand politics? That it takes 14 men in the work place to make up for the unproductiveness of one woman? I could go on and on, but my stomach is already churning and the bile is burning the back of my throat.

The thing that really gripes me is that I could write to these bozos and talk about how I have gotten fewer speeding tickets and had fewer accidents than my husband, I’m a better speller and reader than my husband and father, unlike one of the (few) men in my office I’ve never fallen asleep at my computer with porn up on the screen, but they would just respond that all of these mens’ short comings are the fault of women; the women that raised them, the women that taught them, the women that hired them and supervise them. We’re damned if we do, damned if we don’t, damned for what we never did.

I’m angry, but I feel so impotent. These people want to do away with women’s right to vote, for pity’s sake. They want women to stay home, pregnant yes, barefoot, probably. Women spend too much of men’s money on shoes anyway, I’m sure. See what happens when they get jobs? They buy shoes.

These guys probably think the Taliban in Afghanistan have the right idea. I’m not being facetious. This site is as ugly and hateful as the WhitesOnly page I stumbled onto a couple weeks ago, or the GodHatesFags page everyone talks about. The site even says women don’t deserve Equal Protection, that this is strictly for black males and was wrongly misapplied to women. Excuse me, I’m going to vomit now.

“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy

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GR8Kat, when the revolution comes, I’ll be ready. I do dishes, back-rubs, and windows.
I can do diapers, either 3 or 4 cornered, with either 1 or 2 pins. I am capable of shutting up for hours at a time.
Try to remember this when the shooting starts, please!

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Im a guy & I learned to do all the housework, cleaning, laundry, just about anything a woman would be expected to do. This is sort of an outgrowth of being in the 70s when woman’s lib came henceforth. Now it’s more confusing, do women want to be equal or do they want to be protected?

Judge Judy made a point on her show once that if women want equal rights then they must accept that men can hit them.

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Handy, Equal Protection is about protection from discrimination, not getting hit. This is what the Father’s Manifesto says about that:

The Father’s Manifesto asserts that women don’t deserve protection from discrimination because they ARE NOT equal.

I don’t want special considerations just because I’m a woman. I want to be recognized as being equal. I want to vote, do my job, decide what I want to do with my future, and not be told that it’s my sole purpose in life to make babies and keep a nice house so my husband will be pleased with me. I prefer he be pleased with me because I help make us a good living, make good decisions, and can kick ass when we watch Win Ben Stein’s Money.

“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy

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[shakes head] that’s not what I’m talking about, though. I don’t want to overthrow men, I want to be acknowledged as an equal partner. It’s easy to take for granted that women are already, but then when you’re slapped in the face with a site like this that gathers statics that “prove” that the feminist movement is responsible for increases in men’s deaths due to coronary heart disease, and decreases in national geometry scores, it’s awfully disheartening.

“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy

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MADD and DUI laws also (according to the Father’s Manifesto) lead to an increase in automobile fatalities as drunk men are less likely to cause wrecks than sober women.

Who should wash dishes or change diapers is NOT what this web site is about. I put this under BBQ pit and not GD forum because I don’t want to debate the subject, I want to rant, rave, tear my hair, rend my clothing, and basically be the irrational female that I am :wink:

“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy

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You just rant and rave to your heart’s content. Don’t worry your pretty head about these twits, however. < eg > They are loons who couldn’t carry a cogent argument in a bushel basket (with two women to help them figure out how to load it).

I would guess that they are basically harmless (due to their overwhelming incompetence). What angers me about them is that they (or their ilk) may come to be seen as genuine representatives of the very serious issue of fathers and parental rights. That is an issue that has been screwed up in many local and state courts, but it has a lot of thorns and needs to be addressed intelligently. Turning these morons loose on the issue would pretty much guarantee that no rational decision could be made.

Tom~

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GR8Kat, I’m sorry. Bad Joke.
I do understand, though. When I was in the Air Force, females that train along with me and were my equal in EVERY sense of the word were pulled of the flight line one by one and assigned secretarial duties to various colonels and generals. Outside the military, in my line of work(security)any female that isn’t “friendly” to her co-workers is instantly labeled a lesbian.
Are women’s restrooms soundproofed? I think you go in groups for a group primal scream sometimes. How the HELL do you put up with us?

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Yep, some people are just dumb…Did you see the Ladies’ Manifesto page (linked off of the FM page)? I thought that it was disturbing to see that women subscribe to this line of thinking. Although, I rather enjoyed some of the guy’s examples (no grasp of geometry = women have no right to vote)… Ah well, as a future engineer/mathematician I laugh at the notion that women can’t do math.

Keep up the good work, ladies, 'cause no one’s going to take care of you in this world.

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Unless Judge Judy was specifically referring to men hitting them back*, then she’s on crack. I don’t have to accept that anyone, male or female, can hit me; Jane Public shouldn’t have to either.

    • in reference to the idea that if a woman hits a man, she has no business using the “You can’t hit me, I’m just a girl!” bit…

~jon

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Slythe:

[QUOTE]
How the HELL do you put up with us?

[QUOTE]

We like your penises.

:wink:

Stoidela

Don’t meddle in the affairs of dragons, cuz, like, you’re crunchy
and taste good with ketchup.

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My favorite:

“Males as a group pay more than 100% of federal taxes.”

And who sucks at math?

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Stoidela…

Ahem…{BLUSH}…thank you

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Stoidela–

If you are referring to Slythe in the plural, I think I’ve seen his picture on a web site, right next to the woman with the two champagne bottles…

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I knew I was just torturing myself, but I had to check out this Father’s Manifesto website! I was torn (figuratively) between laughter (more than 100%, indeed!) and tears (95% of all rapes reported are false!) I couldn’t check it out for too long because it was really pissing me off, and then it flashed on me (not an ephiphany, but a flash) that anger is wasted on these freaks (just another sign of my feminine, emotional nature). One of my cardinal rules is NEVER to allow the Religious Reich to provoke me - it’s the equivalent of flipping off someone who cut you off in traffic-it doesn’t matter to them, and it makes you more angry for having done it…

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Bwaaaahhhhhh haaaa haaa! That site is hilarious!

What I want to know is why they have a picture of someone holding a rubber chicken.

I saw a book in Barnes &Noble that argue that all men should pay a higher tax because men commit all of the crimes. Not quite as nutty as this, but along the same lines.

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Re: The Ladies Manifesto page! How too fuckin’ Victorian (Ladies! and the page itself is all pink and mauve with little cupids and all). It’s even funnier than the Father’s Manifesto, because the gal that writes it is apparently right next door to being an illiterate (mistress of the run-on sentence, dangling participle, misspelled epithet), but believes she is writing truly deathless opinions! All of ten people have signed the guestbook, and four of them are negative comments. I don’t think we need to worry about a repeal of the 19th amendment any time soon (by the way check out the petition on the Father’s page to accomplish just this goal-it has about 40 signatures-somehow, I think that may be a problem for them…)

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The whole thing just makes me heartsick. And one of the things that amazes me is that, if you click on the Repeal the 19th Amendment link, you see a letter from a woman who agrees it should be repealed. She writes that women vote based on whatever their hormones tell them at the moment, and that we need to go back to a single vote per household because husbands and wives vote the opposite on issues and cancel each other out. I don’t have a problem with families discussing how they wish to vote, but the idea that only men should get the vote so that, in the case of disagreement, the final decision of the vote is made by the one person, and only that person’s voice will be heard because only his is worth hearing, is ridiculous.

Sorry for the run on sentences, but I’ve got a lot of thoughts I want to cram into each sentence.

I grew up in a two-parent household and I always thought they had an equal partnership. My mom actually handled most of the family finances, kept the books and paid the bills. I never saw dad supervise her over her shoulder, double check her figures, or do anything that showed her didn’t trust her math or decision making abilities. When he became too disabled to work, she went back to college and got a job. Would the ladies of the Ladies’ Manifesto site be willing or able to do that? Math is hard and driving is scary! Thinking hurts, the man is supposed to do all that!

To me, feminism has always been about the right to make choices. Women should be allowed to choose whether they want to stay at home or work, be mothers or not, drive or not. Men should have the same choices. And when men and women choose their mates, they need to choose ones whose choices are compatible with theirs. Now if someone changes their mind during the relationship… well, I personally don’t think it’s fair to switch horses in midstream. My husband accepts that someday I may not physically be able to work. That’s something we have to deal with. Hopefully, many decades down the line. However, if tomorrow he decides work sucks and he’d rather watch tv, we’d be royally screwed and I don’t think that would be fair to either of us. Especially since we’d lose the satellite dish and he couldn’t watch tv unless he went back to work, but I digress.

I resent the idea that one portion of the population can pursue their goals, careers, and dreams because it’s their God given right because of that little hunk of flesh between their legs, while the other portion can pursue their goals, careers, and dreams as long as it’s ok with the first portion, and preferably if these goals, etc., involve keeping house and making babies, since that’s all they’re good for anyway. I don’t have a problem with women who stay home to raise families, I just resent the idea of being born into a box where that’s all that’s expected or allowed of me.

This lady who wrote about repealing the 19th amendment, I think her name is Alia, went on to emphasize that she supports making it a one-vote-per-household process, so that, theoretically, if 2 lesbians lived together, they would still have just one vote, but they would have the vote. How progressive! So by getting married, women would be sacrificing their voice. The man could silence it if he chooses. I ache when I read that.

I wish I hadn’t posted that link in my OP, because I can’t resist the temptation to go back there and read more, even though it makes me sick. It’s like a train wreck, horrible but morbidly fascinating.

I wonder… what would happen… if … someone e-mailed this thread to one or the other or both sites…

“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy

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Check out my comments in their guestbook on the “Ladies” page. The gal who maintains the page answered me back, and she just reinforces all the negatives there are about the Christian Reich- that they’re ignorant, intolerant and almost rabid. She wrote that I’m selfish because I don’t want kids, I’ve been educated in a “Fembot” education system, and that’s why I am the way I am (wrong-I went to Catholic school-I can’t imagine any system more traditional and patriarchal than that!), etc… It’s like you said, Gr8Kat- visiting these sites is scarily fascinating, like a train wreck, but as silly as these people are, I think it’s important to be aware of them.

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I dropped my two cents in her lap as well.

It leaves me utterly baffled, I must admit.

Stoidela

Don’t meddle in the affairs of dragons, cuz, like, you’re crunchy
and taste good with ketchup.