Polling, so far, has these two pretty close. The last election was also pretty close.
Biden didn’t just do poorly…he flat out sucked.
That’s why people are scared. Another Trump presidency is a horror show. Have you read about Project 2025?
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
You can either let fear paralyze you or make it motivate you. Your choice. Mine is to fight.
Ok…so would you rather have Biden do terrible in the debate so it can motivate you?
If he was lying I would consider that disqualifying as a Democratic presidential candidate.
I hope this falls below the allowable limits.
[quote=NYTimes]
Mr. Biden has been an admirable president. Under his leadership, the nation has prospered and begun to address a range of long-term challenges, and the wounds ripped open by Mr. Trump have begun to heal. But the greatest public service Mr. Biden can now perform is to announce that he will not continue to run for re-election.
As it stands, the president is engaged in a reckless gamble. There are Democratic leaders better equipped to present clear, compelling and energetic alternatives to a second Trump presidency. There is no reason for the party to risk the stability and security of the country by forcing voters to choose between Mr. Trump’s deficiencies and those of Mr. Biden. It’s too big a bet to simply hope Americans will overlook or discount Mr. Biden’s age and infirmity that they see with their own eyes.
If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses. But given that very danger, the stakes for the country and the uneven abilities of Mr. Biden, the United States needs a stronger opponent to the presumptive Republican nominee.[/quote]
I have to admit, I’ve never really understood that point of view. I mean, I can of course imagine someone who’s bigoted against Buttigieg and so wouldn’t vote for him — but I can also imagine asking that guy, so, what do you think of Joe Biden? You know, the man who chose Buttigieg from among all others to serve in the Cabinet? How’s you like to have a real long talk about plenty of other Biden appointees who all have something in common? Because, well, Biden sure seems to be 100% okay with — hey, where are you going?
The NYT is wrong. Point blank. The Democrats cannot position themselves as defending democracy against authoritarianism by removing the people’s choice for president in favor of someone selected by party insiders who did not win a single primary and no qualified candidate should accept such an offer.
They’re not saying that party leaders should got e Biden out, they are saying that Biden himself should choose to bow out. Of course that means that elected convention delegates would choose a new candidate, because there is no other way.
I just came in here to say this. I’m reading this thread and it’s not making me feel any better. I’m seriously panicking. And now the NYT is panicking too?
Which would equal political suicide for the Democratic party.
The NYT’s ownership have made it clear for some time that they want Trump to win. I expect this kind of mealy-mputhed concern trolling from them.
I do understand your motives here, but to me, statements like this and “we’re screwed” carry the inherent implication that, in the event of a Trump victory in this case, that my life is officially over and hopeless, and the death of America and everything I hold dear is inevitable and secured. Might as well do something drastic.
I can see how that may be motivating to some people, but…
My motive is to get people to vote and not sit this one out.
I have never heard this before and can’t find anything to state that. Can you find a citation for me?
Here’s one.
The Times insists that they’re just trying to be fair.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4645980-new-york-times-editor-media-trump-biden-2024/
In this other case, the Times admits that a poll they ran is probably not particularly accurate, and there are reasons to think it’s biased toward Trump. Buuut… They ran it anyway.
In this case, the size of Mr. Trump’s lead in the poll may be related to the fact that Republicans were significantly likelier to answer their phones and take the survey than Democrats or independents, a new development in Times/Siena polling this cycle. One potential explanation was that Mr. Trump’s base is more motivated to participate in the poll after his conviction.
The suggestion that the Times benefits from propping up Trump is not completely without merit.
I can point you to several sources who’ve noticed the paper spends an inordinate time doting on Biden’s age while refusing to cover Trump’s gaffes, slipups, and moral deviancies, and that they use vastly differing language covering the two;
Doesn’t go quite that far but there’s definitely some bad blood between the NYTimes board and editors and the Biden administration as cited earlier in the thread:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/25/new-york-times-biden-white-house-00154219
I’m sorry, did we have a choice this year? I must have missed it. My primary ballot had Biden and a couple of clearly-not-viable contenders. In 2020, it was a very different experience. Biden was clearly the people’s choice in 2020; I don’t recall having a real chance to modify that decision this year. Maybe you did in your state.
By all accounts, Biden gave a terrible performance in the first debate. That’s a serious problem.
But we need to step back and look at the big picture. Compare the problems with the two candidates:
Biden: An 81 year old who may have declining mental powers.
Trump: A 78 year old who may have declining mental powers. (Cite: go read the Trump poetry threads)
Biden: A man with a son who broke some laws.
Trump: A man with several children who broke many laws, while working for their father.
Biden: No felony convictions.
Trump: Multiple felony convictions. With more on the way.
Biden: Never tried to overthrow the American government
Trump: Tried to overthrow the American government. Did a bad job of it. Has spoken about wanting to be a dictator.
Biden: Experienced politician who has presided over a period of peace and economic growth.
Trump: Screwed up the biggest crisis of his term and caused the unnecessary deaths of literally tens of thousands of Americans.
Yes, the Democrats are having a bad week. But it’s the Republicans who have a bigger problem.
You want to know what would make me panic? If Trump dropped dead tomorrow and the Republicans were able to run somebody else against Biden.
The fact that nobody who you would consider viable even tried to challenge Biden, and that everyone who did you consider non-viable, should tell you everything you need to know about the existence of such a candidate.
Sure. I’ll make sure to vote twice.