Not quite. I am hypothesizing that much of the reason that nobody complained about smokers decades ago is that smoking was an accepted practice and people knew that they wouldn’t get anywhere. I am also hypothesizing that the people who smoke nowadays and don’t complain about smoking outside may, in fact, not mind going outside to do it. Obviously you guys do mind going outside, and if I knew you in real life I would have said that some people I knew did complain about it.
They don’t complain because it doesn’t do any good and they don’thave any choice about it. Do you honestly think they’d still go outside if they didn’t have to?
I can tell you with absolute confidence and first hand knowledge almost all smokers mind. They don’t mind all the time. Sometimes they like going outside, but the inability to EVER stay inside is annoying to all of them.
I find it somewhat hard to believe that teenagers wouldn’t complain about something even knowing that it would be pointless. And don’t tell me it’s the same situation as non-smokers in the fifties or whenever; it’s a different culture. People aren’t expected to go along with the crowd quite as much.
Probably not in the winter, no, but I think some people would appreciate that many non-smokers would prefer that their belongings not reek of smoke.
Yes, smokers love that kind of self-importance in non-smokers and never mind at all.
So is an apartment.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I said. :rolleyes:
So, call the cops.
This is utterly ridiculous backpedalling. and this isn’t about me - I am not a student at Virginia Tech, not have I ever been. I just find the whole thing very amusing that, because of total smoking bans, people like the OP are exposed to smoke where they would not have to be if people were willing to compromise.
It’s also more and more evident to me that part of the problem is that college students in the US are treated like children, not adults. I am always amazed by the plethora of RA’s and TA’s and Student Activity Coordinators and the like. For God’s sake, you are a grown up, you are living away from home. If there is a problem, if you want something organized, don’t run looking for authority - sort it out yourselves! And that isn’t directed at the OP, who says she did try to sort it out herself first.
villa, in what way am I backpedalling?
You are backpedalling because on the one hand you talked about pompous blowhard smokers making it impossible for non smokers to speak up, then on the other hand assume that smokers skip outside in the winter happily because they don’t speack up.
You then come back to justify this inconsistency with a frankly ridiculous story that everyone you know who smokes has told you they don’t mind going outside, and you would of course change your opinion if other smokers told you different.
Did you miss the part where I explicitly stated that those are two different situations, with different rules applying to them?
Horseshit.I said that nobody I knew had said anything, not that they had all said they didn’t mind, and if a smoker I knew in real life told me that he minded going outside, I would say that.
I’m going to have a cigarette.
Not in my house, though. The wifey would kill me. Perhaps I should lend her to the OP.
Just had to chime in how odd some of my kids’ dorm regs - including no smoking - seemed to a parent who lived in dorms back in the 70s. Was no issue at all about cigarettes, and I never really understood the whole “towel-under-the-door-for-pot” thing as we never even bothered to close the door.
Wonder how things will have changed when your kids are in college? 
[Eddie Izzard] No smoking… and soon no drinking and talking in bars! [/EI]
Do people still piss off the balconies or is that considered “rude” now too?
I dunno about apartments, but dorms at Tech have no balconies.
Of course they are different situations with different rules applying. If they weren’t you would be being utterly inconsistent. Convenient for you, that.
And this is the very heart of the horseshit. You are willing to read into smokers not saying anything that they have no problem with a situation; when non-smokers don’t say something it is becaue they are oppressed.
I used to spend A LOT of time in bars. Gave up smoking 20+ years ago, drinking 4 or so. Went out the other day to see a show in a club (The Blasters - they ROCKED!). It was so incredibly weird to be in a bar seeing a show without a thick haze of smoke. Incredibly nice, but weird as hell.
“Home of the Phillies” is in the goddamn desert? 
As for the OP, I totally understand you…
If the dorm had an upfront rule that smoking was prohibited, then one would have the EXPECTATION that the rule would be adhered to and enforced. It was probably one of the OP’s deciding factors for living in the dorm. I don’t give a rat’s ass what kind of building it is…if it advertised as no smoking and the OP spent money to live there, then it should be actionable. No reasoning, no “Get over it, it’s a dorm” excuses. Has nothing to do with how dangerous or smelly second hand smoke is…it has everything to do with the policy that dorm had set out and made known to all parties.
If I choose to walk in a building that allows smoking (i.e - a casino), I either choose to deal with the smoke or not enter it, and I understand that complaining will fall on deaf ears or more likely earn a “Fuck you” with smoke blown in my face…and rightfully so. That is where I am considerate towards smokers…same should go when it’s reversed.
Being inconsiderate and ignoring policies is not cool or cute, it’s just plain inconsiderate.