Straight Dope Fail on Fluoride


The only thing I’ve found with a quick search on that subject from the FDA was a warning to DS Waters of America in 2009, which was involving fluoride health claims made by the aforementioned.

Please provide a citation or link to this warning by the FDA you mention, so I can evaluate it on Cecil’s behalf.

I suspect few will take seriously an anti-fluoridation rant that includes a reference to the atomic bomb.

Mr. Adams will have a great deal of difficulty finding any such warning, because it does not exist.

The only “warning” I know about is a statement that appears on toothpaste tubes advising parents to use only small amounts of fluoride-containing toothpaste when supervising tooth brushing by young children, since they’re more prone to swallowing it and could get spotting of tooth enamel (fluorosis) if they ingest large amounts. This could also affect infants who drink formula reconstituted with drinking water. The American Dental Association recognizes this and recommends breastfeeding and/or use of fluoride-free water in making formula to make sure that the child receives the optimal amount of fluoride that protects teeth from cavities without causing tooth spotting. The A.D.A., C.D.C. and other knowledgeable sources continue to recognize the value and safety of fluoridated water in reducing cavities.

We’re all exposed to some amount of fluoride whether or not our water is fluoridated. The anti-fluoridation crazies willfully ignore that whether a substance is a “toxin” depends on dose.

I laughed. IMnshO, great phrase, outlierrn!

Back in the Dark Ages, when I was pregnant with my daughter, my physician prescribed fluoride pills for me to take so that the child would have healthy teeth.

She’s thirty-eight, in stellar health and has never had a cavity. When she sees the dentist the staff marvel at her perfect teeth. She’s still a liittle peeved with me because she has two very slight discolored spots on her front ones. I consider it a small inconvience certainly outweighing having the drill used on a young person.

Her grandfather, who grew up in Holland where the water is naturally fluoridated, never had a cavity in his eighty-nine years.

Has it been used for unsavory purposes? Given the nature of humans, probably so. But it sure has produced nice teeth in my family.

The link to the fluoride and bomb connection paper is broken on that page, but I found the original paper at

That mentions studies done by the University of Rochester as part of the cover up. During the war I find Dale PP, McCauley HB. Oral conditions in workers chronically exposed to dilute and anhydrous hydrofluoric acid. United States Atomic Energy Commission University of Rochester, Nov 1944;MDDC-995: 1-8.

There is a study by man mentioned, Harold Hodge, in the New England Journal of Medicine, Fluoridation of Public Water Supplies and Its Relation to Musculoskeltial Diseases by CLR Steinberg et al. - 1958. Not much of a cover up and not much of a study.

The Flouride Toxicity Research Collaborative has an extensive bibliography of studies but how biased the list is I can’t tell.

and shit.

Just wanted to check out the thread and point out that, unsurprisingly, the OP has not been back to follow up the steaming load they dropped.


OP was likely just a shill with a search engine. though that is unimportant. it should be treated like an honest discussion for later readers that happen on the thread. subsequent truth is of great value to the reader.

Fair enough, I just went with it because I thought it sounded cool.

OTOH, upon futher reflection, I do think that the cognitive biases and self fulfilling behavior of conspiracy theorists is consistent with a faith based outlook. If I gotta chose between that and being a slave to the limitations and vicissitudes of an empirical outlook, well, bend me over Carl Sagan.

And shit.

As if the temptation to turn the thread into nonstop Dr. Strangelove jokes weren’t bad enough to begin with…

Can you provide a link to your blog?

That doesn’t jive with my anecdote, given both my father and mother who were born and raised in Rotterdam (on the Rhine) had ALL their teeth removed due to cavities before I was born in 1950.

I will say this. I was raised in Southern Ontario which flouridated water and never went to a dentist. It wasn’t until several years after moving into the north country when I was 25 that I developed cavities.

I had a great-great grandfather who grew up in an area where the water was totally free of fluorides. One day he was carried off by a bear and eaten. :frowning:

I just saw an amusing Google ad at the bottom of the thread, for a product called Glacial Blue Tooth Oil (you’re supposed to brush your teeth with it, not swab it into your ears). It’s advertised as an alternative to “toxic, fluoride-contaminated” toothpaste, containing among other things peppermint oil which supposedly is safe to swallow and soothing to the alimentary canal.

Except that peppermint oil (apart from not being proven to be an effective cavity-fighter), like many essential oils is toxic and even fatal in excessive dosage and can cause a variety of nasty problems like acute renal failure, not to mention “allergic reactions, heartburn, perianal burning, blurred vision, nausea, and vomiting”. It should not be used internally in infants and young children because it can cause bronchospasm leading to respiratory arrest.

I saw no warning whatsoever on the company website about keeping the product away from young children.

I can just see the alties scoffing that peppermint oil is perfectly safe at a low dose.

Funny, I thought their position on fluoride (and many other things) was that a toxin’s a toxin, regardless of the dosage. :dubious:

Ironic that a poster would abandon the thread he started and never return to discuss the matter and/or face the music.

I assume because it's spam to generate hits to their site!

What is ironic is Jackmannii’s post is about using peppermint oil for medical treatment and has no discussion of toxicity.

I guess my irony detector is overloaded. :dubious:

I assumed from the way you provided that link that the link you were providing was supposed to be a cite that peppermint oil is toxic. But that is not the link you provided. Ergo my comment.
I was purposefully abusing the word “irony” to fit in.

Eh? It says that.

Not me; any opportunity to quote from Dr. Strangelove is a good day:

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first… become… well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh… I… I… first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue… a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I… I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh… women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh… I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I… I do deny them my essence.

Well, you don’t need fluoridation to explain that. Just the combination of unrelenting humidity, swarms of prehistoric-sized insects, a mostly transient population that consists primarily of New Jersey retirees, NASCAR fans, embittered third generation Cuban refugees, and college girls with low self-esteem would be enough. The fact that Disneyworld is there, broadcasting mind control rays from Epcot Center that make everyone hallucinate visions of Captain Eo on a regular basis just takes it over the edge. Methamphetamines, LSD, or fluoride in the water would just serve to take the edge off.