One thing regarding DaphyDuck’s post:
While there’s a very real, very vengeful part of me that agrees with the spirit of the formulation “100 murders = 100 executions”, as well as the sentiment that the punishment is “too light,” another part says “Just put the guy down like a rabid dog and move on to the next one.”
We can get as creative as we want with potential means of execution – flaying, boiling, turning them inside out – but you reach a point of diminishing returns, wasted money and wasted energy.
When this topic comes up in conversation, and I say, “Yeah, just kill the bastards,” invariably someone asks “But could you pull the switch yourself?” I always say “Hell yeah. And I could eat a Twinkie while I did it. No problem.” And that’s the truth.
But I’d have a hard time eating a Twinkie while I was busy raping someone with a bladed dildo. I just wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.
Hanging? Sure. Injection? Hand me the hypo. Bullet to the brain? Gimme the gun. Heck, I’ll even stab the guy in the heart, or hit him with a brick.
But – and call me squemish – I think there’s a line there. I don’t know that I could live with slowly strangling someone, by degrees, over hours, with their own intestine.
And if I can’t say, “Yeah, I’m willing to do that myself,” well, I think it’d be pretty hypocritical for me to say, “Well, I won’t, but society can hire someone else to do the dirty work I won’t.”
I think that if I lived in Pakistan I would think very long and hard before commiting a crime.
He should take heart, though, because no doubt in a few years we’ll have a rock band named “Iqbal” in his honor. I’m just glad he won’t be around to gloat about it.
Cactus Jack wrote:
Wrong. SOMEBODY killed a hundred children. SOMEBODY used the same M.O. to kill 100 children. I haven’t read the details of this case, but isn’t it possible that this guy might just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time near ONE of these murders, and the jury/judge/court, in its urgency to find and punish SOMEONE, extrapolated that he “must” have been behind the other 99 murders since “all the other murders were just like this one”?
Apparently more than a few folks here are under the impression that Pakistan is more or less the same as the United States when it comes to police and courts.
First of all: Pakistan is a military dictatorship. Even when they had civilian rule, the populace looked to the military there to see if they’d keep the civilians in office.
Second: The military is a far cry from the United States’ trained, educated, and dedicated Armed Forces.
Third: What about the very real possibility (mind you, I said “possibility” and not “probability” here) that the dude confessed only because he was tortured into it?
Fourth: What about the accused’s rights? Yeah, I know; a lot of folks don’t want to hear that when they’re “discussing” a heinous crime. But try to imagine if it was you who’d been forced to confess to a crime you didn’t do. What would you really think about the situation then? Would you still think “10,000 cuts” is the way to go?
Fifth: The Pakistani constitution apparently outlaws the particular sentence ordered for the dude anyway. What’s that you say? You don’t give a whit about constitutions? How about ours, then? After all, if it’s okay to mete out illegal punishments there, why not here?
Sixth: the illegal punishment ordered apparently was based on someone’s interpretation of Sharia. For those who don’t know, that’s law based on religion. And one particular religion at that, Islam! Do you really want that?
Hell, he confessed to the killings didnt he??
I dunno about the acid bit, but at least let the other relatives have a bash at him!
Why is every body staring at me?? do I stink or something??
Monty
are you a lawyer or soldier or something, you seem to love the army
ahoy there every body is there no-one here Am i talking to myself or what?
HFD: I’m actually operating under the impression that you’re either (a) Cyberian, or (b) just another garden variety troll, but I’ll mention a couple of things anyway.
First: Next to the user name on these postings is an icon with a question mark on it. Click on it and you might discover some information.
Second: My posting above certainly doesn’t show “love” for the armed forces of Pakistan. Nor, in my opinion, does it describe some kind of passion for my nation’s armed forces. I see it as an accurate description of fact.
Third: A hint for you - if nobody’s responded, then NOBODY’S RESPONDED TO YOU!
Fourth: “Talking to yourself” on these boards is usually done via sock puppets, for which activity one gets banned. I don’t recommend it.
As I understand it, yes he confessed, but no - they have no real forensic evidence to prove he murdered the children. Apparently they found pictures of the children and their clothing in his house, BUT what these photos showed is unclear. Also, I don’t know how conclusively the clothing was linked to the children. In any case, it doesn’t sound like there is proof that he is the murderer (other than his confession). The problem is that all of my information (and everyone else in this forum, I suspect) comes from the popular press…not exactly the most reliable source. The thing that bothers me is that there has been no mention of human remains. Contrary to popular belief (and cheap movies), acid will not readily destroy a human body, never mind 100. Like I said, I find it odd that there is no mention of the lack of forensic evidence, but it is difficult to know what to think without better information.
Statistically speaking…all animals are insects
In the absence of a result from the appeal process, would you all kindly refrain from speculation about the situation, especially since we likely have little if any hard information available regarding the evidence at hand.
Let’s see what Pakistan does in the end before we get all worked up about it.
Are you a forensic scientist? (my dad is!)
Any twat can wear a pair of gloves to kill someone (at random - with no link to themselves) and then burn their own clothes to leave no evidence.
Someone who kills 100+ children in this way is obviously mentally challenged (how p.c. of me!). That sort of person has to exhibit some kind of abnormal behaviour (other than killing kids on sight). So I think that forensic evidence is probably not the way to go!
BTW. HF acid (as I mentioned previously) would probably be the best for the job (chemists in the house correct me if I’m wrong) because, as far as I know, as the acid breaks down the body, hydrogen is released and this sustains the reaction - as opposed to other acids which would become diluted/neutralised. This should mean that not a lot is required either!
Nessie Lives!
Sadly like all nations we have cases which stand out as being particularly horrific.One such was the case of Myra Hindley and her lover Brady.
Going into what they did serves no real purpose here but suffice to say that had they been convicted less than a year earlier they would certainly have been hanged.
Both are still in prison but Brady recently went on hunger strike and is being force fed.
He wants to die but a court order allows the prison to continue force feeding him.
Good I say! Being forced to live a life he no longer want and having to see youself in the mirror facing up to what you are is justice too.
I just wish we could make the lives of others like him so damned miserable they all felt the same.Execution is too easy for them.
There I feel better now!I just read this thread today, because frankly, the title disturbed me and I was afraid to open it.
That man should be put in a dungeon. He does not deserve death. By not killing him, there is a slight risk that he may escape prison, and harm others again…but still, he should not be killed, and certainly not be destroyed in such a way.
Jeffery: Your post shocked me. Do you really think that killing that woman is the best way to punish her? I have to agree with SingleDad.
Adam
“Life is hard…but God is good”
Cleosia…
My dad has pictures of The Death of A Thousand Cuts actually being performed…maybe it was Ten Thousand, I’m not sure.
I’m not sure where he was when he took the pictures, but it was probably around Bougainville (sp?).
I think I’m gonna put it (and all the other execution pics he came back with) on the web.
As for the topic at hand, if he’s been found guilty without any reasonable doubt, then kill him. Kill him slowly and with great pain.
Anyone who would do something that monstrous to even one child deserves a few hours of methodical torture before he dies.
-David
I recall hearing about this a few months ago when the murders first came to light and I recall seeing pictures of the police excavating an area near the man’s home and that they had found some skeletal remains. So there is the potential that they had forensic evidence to convict.
What I’m noticing is a lot of posts about what kind of punishment he deserves, what is right for him, etc. (Nothing wrong with that) What I’m wondering is what everyone feels is best for the families.
I have always had mixed feelings on capital punishment. On the one hand, in the U.S. there is a 1% chance that an innocent man will be put to death. Personally, I think that’s too high, especially if it turned out that someday I’m that 1%. We all have only one life after all (depending on your particular faith, of course)
Then again, those other 99% stole life away from their victims. Why should they be allowed to keep theirs?
Then there is the question: Is it justice or is it revenge? I know that if a family member of mine was murdered that I’d be so angry and upset that I’d want to wring the guy’s neck myself. However, I know that I’d feel empty afterward. I’ve never been a person who finds any satisfaction in vengance.
What do you all think you would feel in the same situation? If you were the parent of one of those children and you’re standing there watching this man being strangled, would you feel better? Or would you feel empty?
Let me go back to the 100=100 logic for just a moment. My personal view is that:
1,000,000,000 Murders Executed does not and cannot = 1 innocent person wrongly executed.
I cannot fathom a situation in which it would be considered an acceptable collateral loss for one unjustly accused man to die for a crime he did not commit.
Imprison him for life. Throw him in the deepest, darkest hole you can find and chuck away the key. It will cost you, but you know what? It’s
“Just like paying our bills. . . nobody likes doing it, but we do it because we have to.”
It’s the price that I gladly pay to go to my grave with the knowledge that I never contributed to the death of a living person.
Surely you mean - wouldn’t it be a heinous thing to have killed a man who later turned out to be innocent? Well yes it would!
Like I said, and bearing in mind that I am not a criminal psychologist, surely the kind of person who would commit a crime of this manner would be very conspicuous when asked the right sort of questions?
Okay, we don’t want to kill an innocent man - so… pump him full of ‘truth serum’ (have I been watching too many James Bond films?), stick him on a lie detector and shove a strobe light in his face and see if he did it.
Considering the fact that the whole World was watching the Lahore Police force, I’m sure they do not want to just kill the wrong guy for the sake of closing the case (I don’t know, maybe they did!?) but I would expect that, at the risk of ridiculing themselves, they would make damn sure they had the right guy.
No, it won’t, it will cost the taxpayers of Lahore. And, nice idea, but what happens when he gets into this prison and all the other inmates find out he abused a bunch of children? They kill him!
There was a story here in the UK about a paedophile who was put into a shared cell (ironically in one of the protected wings of whatever prison it was) with a heroin addict and when the HA found out he cut out the paedophile’s eye and liver with a sharpened spoon, left the eye on top of the locker, the liver on a chair, the body on the floor and calmly called the guard.
“incognuity” should be a word!
Funny, it didn’t start out as a death penalty debate…
A question:
If they strangle him first, what’s the point of that other stuff they do afterward?
Also, since you’re on the death penalty thing, might as well as those questions as well. It’s a subject, about which I’m personally conflicted, and here is why:
-If it’s bad for a citizen to kill a person, by what logic is it okay for the government to kill a person?
-For the death penalty to work, somebody has to actually kill the convict. Not in self-defense, or in a fit of emotion. Pure pre-meditated murder. What of this person? And if we, as a society, are paying him to do this, what of us?
-If you kill my child, and then I kill your child as revenge, have I not just become equally as evil, whatever that means, as you are?
-On the other hand, if Joe Badguy has killed someone’s child, how can it be right that society is expected to provide food and housing for him?
For me, it boils down to this:
If you kill someone else, unprovoked, then you have relinquished whatever rights you may have had to life and safety. In other words, you “deserve” to die on the spot. You cannot refuse to honor someone else’s right and still have reasonable expectation of that right for yourself.
But saying that you deserve to die is not the same as saying that it’s okay for me to kill you. Not only does that change you (in that you become dead), but also it changes me.
Only a small number of people are truly awake. These people go through life in a state of constant amazement.
The guilt or innocence of this particular defendant is irrelevant with regards to my opposition of the death penalty. I’m opposed to captial punishment in every case because of the simple fact that no death penalty supporter has ever said that an innocent man has never, e-e-e-ever, been executed. I am in no way arguing that Mr. Hackemup might be innocent, because I don’t know the facts in the case. My point was that getting rid of him is not worth the chance of killing an innocent man on some future occasion.
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but what happens when he gets into this prison and all the other inmates find out he abused a bunch of children? They kill him!QUOTE]
So we should save them the extra work? What exactly is your point here? Also, I wouldn’t object to solitary confinement for people like this, because not only would it prevent the other prisoners from making their situations worse, it would also have further punitive value.
BTW, there’s a story here in the US about a man who woke up one morning in a bathtub full of ice, missing valuable vital organs, but I don’t believe everything that I read without coroboration. 
Well, he needs to be killed, but not the way it is described in the OP. That is just a waste of time and money.
What possible good can come out of keeping this man alive? A person capable of killing 100 children is not capable of rehabilitation.
The preservation of evil no doubt leads to the destruction of the innocent. This man is evil.