Yeah, but it’s not written on paper, so it’s not a peer-reviewed paper. Sorry, doesn’t count.
Science has their process and that’s OK. What they do is presented to us, the consumers, and we are the decision making authority who decides if they have screwed up or not. For parents are the experts on ADD, not scientists, or teachers or anyone else. Science tells us to give our kids drugs but that doesn’t solve the problem. Teachers tell us to allow for exceptions to be made for our kids but that cheats the kid out of realizing his full potential. We parents, the final authority on all of this horseshit, have decided that the kids are better off if we cure them so, that’s what we’re doing.
Next time some scientist wants to jam bullshit down our throats, he better check with us and we’ll tell him if we want to buy it.
Okey, someone please tell me we’re all being whooshed here.
His blog is a peer-reviewed paper? Really? Does ignorance still have that much of a toehold?
All of my friends think my LJ is really, really funny. Where’s my sit-com deal?
If they can get the work done quickly, then you are right - no connection and the accommodation has allowed them to complete schooling. If they can’t - they’ve spent four years in school being accommodated on tests when the “real world” doesn’t have room for the accommodation. I’d like to know if I’m going to be able to hack the CPA exam - and the work associated with being a CPA BEFORE I spend four years and four years worth of tuition dollars.
We’ve been told repeatedly in our classes that the reason we are being tested in the manner we are being tested is to prepare us for the real world - where we have to do these same tasks under a time crunch.
Holy frozen shit on a stick, man! Talk about horseshit - do you even pay attention to what you’re posting? Parents are experts in ADD if and only if they’ve managed to complete their medical training in psychiatry and/or psychology.
Otherwise, they’re parents. Simply being possessed of, and having used successfully at least one time, the capability to reproduce oneself does not automatically confer expert status in anything.
Let me phrase it another way: I own two cats. This does not make me a veteranarian. I also own a car. That does not make me an automotive engineer (or even an automobile repair expert). I own a computer, and yet somehow am substantially less than expert in IT and help desk matters. Where in the name of all that’s sane and holy did you come up with the notion that parenthood magically confers knowledge and medical wisdom on someone? That might possibly be the most brainless thing I’ve ever actually heard - and I read your previous posts.
So says foresam, E.o.E.* Watch out, scientists - if you disagree with him, that means your facts are wrong!
*That’s Expert on Everything.
You don’t get tested at all before the end of your four years in school? Is there no way to know if you can hack it before that?
I don’t know - I haven’t done research. I’m not arguing this in Great Debates - I’m stating what I’ve noticed in the Pit - which is that the people I’ve noticed (and helped) with accommodation will have, in my experience (and, granted, my accounting experience is limited, I’ve been out of the field 15 years before going back for my degree) a hard time succeeding given the parameters of that field and the types of accommodation they are receiving. That doesn’t seem fair to them.
When was the last time the IRS allowed you to file late because of a disability? The IRS and SEC are regulatory bodies - there are laws governing when you need to file. Don’t file by that date and you can - and will - be fined. This is the nature of the profession - being able to pull numbers together under a time limit. Much like an accommodation to be a firefighter probably doesn’t include a physical disability since the nature of the profession is highly physical.
(I’m an IT project manager - I’m in school to become an accountant and did corporate tax bookkeeping fifteen or twenty years ago - I will, however, probably never become an accountant - its too demanding and doesn’t pay good enough. Its a nice degree for when my job goes to Bangalore.)
I really don’t care, foresam. You’re still a one trick pony and you’re still hijacking this thread. Take your same old schtick elsewhere or your posting privileges will be under review.
Foresam, quoting to you from the rules:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/rules.php?
You may take your personal crusade elsewhere.
If we find any further postings like this we will remove you from the board.
Enough already.
It’s never happened, but then again, I’ve never (to my knowledge) suffered from a disability. In any event, you should consider the possibility that the legal standards governing the IRS and filing deadlines are different from the legal standards governing private employers.
Moreover, situations can and do arise where employees have valid legal claims when they were discharged for failing to meet their employers’ standards. The law is complex in this area.
All I can suggest is that you consult with HR before firing anyone for failure to meet standards.
What evidence would make you think that standardized tests (such as SAT) do a decent job at predicting college grades, job performance, etc.?
Well, no, you’re right; this isn’t great debates. However, you made your claim that accommodations set people up for career failure in response to a post discussing the neuropsychological skills demanded by the SAT versus the neuropsychological skills demanded by the particular work tasks/roles you listed. I thought we’d shimmied over slightly into the realm of science (however amateurish and skulking that shimmy was, given the gaps in my understanding).
I appreciate the clarification.
I’d have to think about it. The real likelihood is that all three are caused by the same things - hard work and intelligence - which is a major confound. I can see that as a predictor of success, and the evidence for that is usually built up over a period of time. Tests are pretty much a one-time event, and I think standardized test-taking is a skill of its own that doesn’t do much to predict the ability to do anything else.
I’m not sure I would call it a “confound.” After all, if Joe Schmoe has some quality that will help him succeed in medical school and become a good doctor, and that same quality causes him to score high on the MCAT, then I would say that the MCAT is doing its job.
That’s true. But those are also qualities that will help on any test, not just the MCAT, and as such I think it might be hard to prove that the test predicts anything that the student’s whole body of work doesn’t.
I would imagine that if a person is more intelligent and hard-working, it would be an advantage in just about any professional school or profession.
I would guess that studies have been done on this issue.
There have been. They found that classroom performance was as good or better a predictor. The problem is that classroom performance can be gamed by an aggressive parent, and will be much more often if its value is increased. The standardized tests have the advantage of being standardized.
You would need to compare classroom performance alone with classroom performance PLUS test scores.