Another entry for the Stupid File - two shots in the air and one into yourself.
Move along now, nothing to see, just another responsible AR-15 owner improving the gene pool (don’t need the shallow end anyway).
Sorry. Just had to say nicely done!
This almost deserves it’s own thread:
Was the bb gun loaded too? Although not lethal, it can cause serious injuries.
It would be beneficial if guns had a very visible indicator that they were loaded. Many of the stories presented are of guns going off when the owner thought it was empty. If you could look at a gun and obviously know it was loaded, there would be less of these types of occurrences.
I take issue with this part
No, it wasn’t an accident. Market guns to kids, give guns to kids, allow guns to be stored loaded, allow loaded gun to be stored in an accessible place, and allow kids to be in the vicinity of the gun unsupervised.
That’s not an accident. It’s fucking negligent.
I don’t think so. Its like you don’t remember what the mood was like in january. It wasn’t that long ago. The country was shocked by the NRA’s response to Newtown, do you remember that? Most gun owners I know was somewhere between unimpressed and disgusted, people were ready to send the NRA into the corner facing the wall. Then Obama and Feinstein came out with the push for another ineffective AWB and suddenly the NRA looked prescient. You did that to yourselves.
Yeah, they fought for background checks after blowing it on an AWB. Its like pushing for a ban on all abortions and then failing on a bill for partial birth abortions. The way a lot of people see it is that you’ve already tipped your hand and they no longer saw any advantage to being reasonable with you.
We’ll see how this affects the next election. I support the second amendment but I don’t value it quite enough to want the Republicans back in control again, they are a much more imminent threat to our democracy than gun confiscation but I am afraid that we might lost the senate and lose seats in the house.
If most of that 61% is in places like California and Massachusetts then it is pretty irrelevant isn’t it? How many of those 61% are from states with senators that voted against the background check?
Like I said, we’ll see how the next election goes. I hope you are right and this was a good political move for the Democrats, I just don’t see how it could be.
Thats the way you would see it. For others, the NRA suddenly gained some credibility when the anti-gun folks pushed for an AWB, people had started to wave the NRA off as irrelevant when the gun issue seemed settled and Wayne LaPierre’s rantings about Obama’s secret agenda to take our guns in the second term seemed like a desperate attempt to remain relevant (they also started to take a significantly more generally partisan position on things like taxes and unions).
What empirical evaluation? Right now you have NOTHING. In January it looked like you could have had something if you didn’t chase pipe dreams of an AWB. This has happened before you know. LBJ tried to pass licensing and registration after the assassination of RFK and MLK and he could have gotten it if a senator from Maryland didn’t decide this was not a time for half measures and decided to swing for the fences and ended up getting tied up in committee for months until the moment had passed and LBJ ended up with much less than he could have gotten earlier on. LBJ heaped scorn on the NRA for blocking licensing and registration but a lot of people recognized that this senator from Maryland had overplayed LBJs hand for him. That is what I think Feinstein did.
I doubt that’s true on a state by state basis. IOW, there are more states where an AWB does not have a majority than states that do have a majority. The anti-gun folks have just burned up a lot of their credibility.
Looking at polling report.com I see that the most recent poll says more people trust Republicans than Obama on guns by 3%, back in January, Obama had an 8% advantage on the issue.
here is the most recent polling question on an AWB:
“Do you favor or oppose a nationwide ban on semi-automatic weapons – including some rifles, pistols, and shotguns – that have detachable magazines, allowing them to rapidly fire a high number of rounds?”
That doesn’t strike me as a particularly neutral way to phrase the question.
I don’t know district by district either but I bet it shapes up very differently on a state by state basis.
None but the anti-gun rhetoric made the natives very restless.
I guess we disagree. I think that the anti-gun rhetoric aggravated the situation, rational or not I think there is a causal link. How do you explain the premium on virtually ALL firearms During this period. Glock 19s were selling for a significant premium. Ruger 10/22 rifles were selling for double MSRP. Mossberg 500 shotguns were selling for almost double their regular price. Hell, even S&W 686 and ruger gp100 revolvers were commanding a premium. None of these things were the target of legislation as far as I can tell. But they all went up in the months following Newtown and prices returned to near normal levels after it became clear that any sort of ban was off the table.
5 is probably too early for a slingshot, bow or bb gun, never mind a 22 rifle. I don’t think I started shooting a 22 until I was about 10 and that was at a sleepover boy scout camp, the guns where shot from the prone position, and they were chained into a cradle so they could only possibly point downrange. Kneel fire and stand fire didn’t come until after I got my merit badge.
As I’ve said before, they are generally full of shit. One blowhard in Tennessee blew up on youtube saying some shit and the state of Tennessee revoked his license and told him to turn in his guns, and he turned them in. He appealed the revocation and got his license back after swearing he was just letting off some steam and he wouldn’t really go on a rampage if they passed a law banning guns.
It happened in California but thats about it. I don’t see how it can possibly happen at a national level short of a sea change in our relationship with guns.
For a lot of these guys you could have stopped right there.
And they’re not lazy anymore, they’re taking jobs that Americans would otherwise gladly do. WTF happened?
DA, which of the Senators who opposed a background check would have supported it back in January? Which of the ones that promised to filibuster it was would not have? It would have had to be all of them.
You’re simply out there on this issue. When it comes to guns, you very clearly think from a deep fantasy perspective.
Fear is very powerful.
Pssh, like a background check would have stopped that. What would they have gotten him on, stealing juice?
Though this brings up a great idea. Let the gun nuts have their guns. In fact, give them all free guns for their kids. Then stand back and let nature do its thing. Eventually they’ll all just shoot each other to death
Once upon a time I would have thought that this was hyperbole. Sadly, those days are gone.
You’ve been saying some really moronic shit lately.
Are you offended that someone is articulating a plan that seems to be working or just general objection to the anti-gun thing? Because if its the former, its working. I feel for the kid, but that shit was brought upon entirely by his parents who chose to have a gun near children. And in other topics, we have people complaining about how pediatricians ask if guns are in the house. Didn’t Florida pass a law making it illegal to ask that?
Put all that moronic shit together and you have a group of people too stupid to realize they’re future Darwin award winners. And when we try to help them, they fight back, call us names, and claim we’re like Hitler. So take your offense, put it into a shotgun, and wrap your mouth around it. These gun nuts deserve what they get
A certain amount of Darwinian selection takes place. Then what’s left are gun owners who responsibly instruct their children with firearms; like, you know, millions of gun-owning parents in rural areas.
Plus, free guns!
And the great part is, they are ALL responsible gun owning parents!
Until they’re not. And then then they are not!
And all those responsible gun owning parents do not need to do anything to change. Because they are responsible!
It’s airtight!
The problem with the “Darwinian” solution is that gun types take out plenty of other people too.
It sounds like you are saying that all gun control is simply doomed from the start. It sounds like you are saying that the mood of the country has nothing to do with how senators vote.
I think a Manchin/Toomey bill back in January would have gotten a huge majority of the votes. There was some talk that the NRA might not be scoring the vote.
You missed by 5 votes.
Just going through the nay votes in alphetical order, these seem like they could have been possible, even likely yes votes for the weak tea background check bill that was Manchin/Toomey.
Ayotte
Baucus
Begich
Grassley
Heitkamp
Heller
Portman
Pryor
Rubio
I don’t see why you think that fear would be driving my opinion that the Manchin Toomey bill would have sailed through the senate in January.
Do you just like saying that phrase or something? I fear the unjustified infringements of any of our civil rights. Is that what you are talking about?
How many accidental shootings do you think occur every year? How parents do you think keep guns in the home?
By gun types do you mean law abiding gun owners or criminals? Because the rate of gun violence by law abiding gun owners is somewhat lower that than the rate of gun violence by those who are not allowed to have guns.
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/05/1965191/open-carry-washington-march/?mobile=nc
Guess the host of the show isn’t going to put himself on the line unless he can get 10k people signed up to do this.
I feel so left out. Where is all this tyranny going on? It is boring as all get out around here.
At the moment, that is correct. The NRA dictates what enough senators will do that they can effectively block whatever gun bills they want. The mood of the country is strongly in favor of universal background checks. The support for that is stronger than for any other single thing I have ever seen. What else gets 90% support among Americans. I suspect that baseball, hotdogs and apple pie would not generate the consistency of support that background checks do.
Again, your thinking on the issue of guns has been shown to be suspect in nearly every possible way. You’ll excuse me, I hope, if I don’t buy into the truthiness that your gut is selling on this matter.
I did? I thought you supported background checks too.
You’ve provided no evidence whatsoever that five of those people at any time in the past few months would have voted any differently than they did, and you’ve provided no evidence that the staunch opponents would not have filibustered as they did.
The most parsimonious prediction would be that these
senators would act exactly as they have in the past and exactly as they did. You keep making assertions without providing any reason whatsoever that these, or indeed any, senators would have voted in a way that was different than their previous stance on the topic or from how they actually voted. If you cannot present anything more than your bullshit, based on nothing but my gut, assertion, there’s little point in continuing to say it.
No, it’s the congenital gut churning fear that people like you have prior to getting their guns. It’s just like any other compulsive behavior - the more that it helps reduce your natural level of anxiety, the more difficult it will be to part with. Checking, counting, repeated washing, rhythmic tapping, organizing… all of these things are fortified through a process of negative reinforcement. The same is true for guns.
Here’s a message from GunFAIL XVI: “The child’s father, Willie Alley, says he always keeps his gun locked away. Now, he has a message for all parents who own a gun and have children in their home. “Think twice about buying guns, I have,” said Alley. Alley says he never imagined his .38 caliber gun would get anywhere close to his two sons.”
I don’t follow. What gun advocates’ point is it that they think they are going to prove?
Near as I can tell it takes the form of providing health insurance to people with preexisting conditions. Armed revolution is the only possible response.