As the first child ever killed with an automatic weapon in the history of the United States, I’m sure this person will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back on the issue.
Give us a fucking break. Gun nutters always brag about how easy and quick it is to modify their made-to-be-modified autos right back to auto. Don’t be so stupid.
I don’t know why the hell Damuri is taking the line he is. In THIS gun nut’s book, malfeasant discharge (fuck “negligent”, using it as a goddamn crutch?) means you do the time for the crime your bullets committed, and you don’t get to own weapons anymore after that, either.
Did you hear the one about the gun nut and the abortion clinic doctor?
It really slays the kids. :eek:
Oh, so there’s even MORE automatic weapons out there than the official statistics indicate, and still, this is the first time something like this has ever happened? You’re making a great case.
That’s right. He actually dismisses the importance of human life, children’s included, as the price that must be paid to keep him supplied with guns to stroke. Apply some DSM-IV and he fits the symptoms of not only a fetishist but a psychopath, the kind he says should not be able to have guns, but who he’ll support when there’s legislation on the table. And he’s proud to call himself one of the reasonable, moderate ones.
Because of people like him, the tragic string of useless killings continues.
Damuri Ajashi, I’ve had to educate you on odds ratios, on causation, on the CDC, and several other key points.
Yes, you were fundamentally wrong on CCW people committing crimes as well, but it wasn’t me who educated you on that.
Plain and simple, the gun douchebag side has been represented by fucking morons in this thread, whose rationality has not yet exceeded the standard of linking to you tube videos.
Please remind me where I’ve failed to provide a cite for you. I’ll be happy to keep trying to help you.
Haven’t really followed this thread–is stupid gun reporting on point?
Blaring headline: Man with pellet gun, alcohol arrested after taking photos of John Kerry’s Beacon Hill home :eek:
Crazed right wing stalker? Loony leftie unsatisfied with the administration? Maniacal apolitical tourist with a vengeance? Who knows. At the heart of the story is some guy taking pictures of Kerry’s mansion. Yes, he had an open container of the devil’s juice. Oh, and the pellet gun? In his car. Sure sure, you can paint a menacing picture (see Globe, Boston), but really? :rolleyes:
Where can I buy some of this Devil’s Juice™ ?
Are you seriously trying to say that I think dead children are a good thing? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Having an automatic weapon is legal in the state where this guy was. His negligence could just as easily have killed a child with a hunting rifle (the sort of guns that anti-gun folks seem to be OK with:rolleyes:).
Are you saying that I don’t think there is anything wrong with using a gun as a crutch? Or that handling a gun in an unsafe manner is OK? What the fuck is wrong with you that you would read this into what I said? I say that an accident is not neccesarily a crime and you leap to baby killer and yosemite sam?
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?
Really? :dubious:
Because the original post regarding this incident said:
“DAMN! There goes that “no one has committed a crime with an automatic weapon since [pick date @ 100 years ago ]” mantra.”
And subsequent posters proceeded to treat this as a crime simply because someone died, not in an attack on poor gun handling but an attack on gun ownership. Do you see the shit that posters like Sinjin wrote upthread, she acts like the guy wanted to kill that girl? Do YOU think that there is a crime every time someone dies? Sure, this guy is liable but I don’t know if he goes to jail for murder or whatever.
Bullets don’t commit crimes, people do and the state of mind is often an important element to a crime.
You are an idiot. The people on your side of the argument all wish you would just shut the fuck up because you make them all look like idiots.
Bullshit. The Author of the CDC report was making inferring causation from the correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths in the home. When confronted with his assumption, he replied by saying that any drug that had that sort of correlation with death would immediately be pulled from the shelves.
You live in a fairly fact free environment which makes your arguments so one sided that you always end up believing your own bullshit. You still don’t acknowledge that guns have any sort of beneficial effect in society.
Is gun douchebag a euphamism for gungrabber? Because if you look through this thread, most of the fact free idiot posts have been from the gun grabber side. This thread just confirms what most people already know. Gun grabbers cannot think rationally when it comes to guns.
In fact the reason that this is the only live gun thread left is because you guys have had your asses handed to you in every other gun thread except the one that allow you to post when gun accidents kill people. It is a well established fact that ~700 people die from gun accidents every year, it is also a well established that there are at least 100,000 defensive gun uses every year. I don’t know how many of those defensive gun uses prevented death but I’m gonna guess more than 0.7% of them.
Where did I accuse you of failing to provide cites? :dubious:
Or are you confusing yourself for Elvis?
What CDC report? You’ve forgotten what I tried to teach you about the difference between the CDC and the authors of the research studies. They are not the same, dummy.
So, what CDC report are you even talking about?
No, I rely on empirical evidence. You don’t even understand empirical evidence. You’re too stupid to remember what others teach you about empirical evidence. You live in a world where you piss your pants with fear of the boogeyman, and have relied on guns and fantasy to fight your gnawing sense that you’re a big pussy.
I’ve been clear that my concern is the NET impact. You’re too stupid to have comprehended this.
No, again, people arguing for gun control have been the only ones to rely on fact. I provided only a scant list of examples of things you’ve had to be informed about, and you have shown that in the short months since this all started, you’ve already forgotten.
Pure fantasy. But you’ve proven adept at relying on fantasy to make yourself feel less impotent.
And? Relevance?
Bullshit. I’ve explained repeatedly to you why no reliable estimate has been developed. I’ve quoted experts on the limitations of the available data in answering this question. There’s no point in providing you with evidence if your brain is like a sieve.
Your an idiot. For example:
Okay, dumbass, give me a fucking example of me not being able to rebut any cite you’ve given.
DA: you are the asshole that was hand waving this whole thing off as an accident as if there was nothing possible that could have prevented it. Like maybe not have a loaded fully automatic weapon and using it as a fucking crutch. And oh, so sorry your kid is dead, but you know accidents happen. Spilling your milk is a fucking accident, using a loaded automatic weapon as a crutch is obscene.
And now your doing more hand waving saying that owning an automatic weapon is not a crime in Oregon, yeah, look away everyone no crime committed here, just an accident, nothing to see here. But in Oregon you need an FBI background check to legally own one. Want to take bets on whether the guy you are defending had one. Oh, wait he didn’t even know it was an automatic weapon, right, the fuckers only cost thousands of dollars.
As to your hunting rifle question I think it’s very likely the girl would have had a better chance of surviving a single bullet thru the ceiling vs multiple bullets. But I would still be pissed off even if she hadn’t been hit at all. Wouldn’t you? No you wouldn’t because you’re an asshole.
Of course, the story begins with “A man with a valid firearm carry permit…”
http://m.upi.com/story/UPI-95901373470856/
Luckily, this asshole only shot himself.
Yanno. There is a chilling parallel. Just because you now are permitted to strap a hand cannon to your thigh doesn’t mean everyone SHOULD. In a culture where you are not required to take proper training, stupid and lethal events will continue to rise.
The parallel? Russian drivers are notoriously wild and dangerous, and the profusion of dashboard cams makes it terribly clear how an irresponsible and poorly trained population of car owners are a real threat to the safety of all.
It is just dumb luck that the Wal Mart incident did not include " hey lady, get your baby’s brains the fuck off my hood. I gotta get home before my ice cream sandwiches melt. "
:rolleyes:
This is not possible, as CCW people are preternaturally excellent, confident steely eyed gun hands. They can size up a scenario and drop a witty and apropos line at the same time.
I know the butthurt of losing on all fronts stings (pro-tip, next time don’t go for retarded shit like an AWB) but when we last had this “conversation” it was clear that by “CDC report” I was referring to the CDC funded report. Do you really want to argue over this detail?
Really? So where have you measured the negative impact of guns in society with the positive impact of guns? I don’t recall you ever conceding that guns have any measurable positive effect.
Your entire argument relies on not having to argue against actual facts. You prefer to argue against facts you have manufactured to justify your extremist position.
And therefore you act as if guns have little or no positive impact.
Yeah, and you pretend that there is no data.
So where did I accuse you of not providing cites? See this is just another example of the fantasy world you have created to make yourself right when it is clear to the whole world that you have stepped over the edge. Please come back, we have institutions where you’ll be safe and well cared for.
Was intentional? No? Then it was an accident.
If this same guy had run over the little girl with a pickup, would it be any more of an accident? You are implying extra culpability for a firearms accident that you would not apply to a car accident. Sure maybe the guy goes to jail for running over the little girl but you immediately leap to criminalizing any accident that involves a gun.
Why do you think that an accident involving a firearm is automatically a crime?
I suspect its because you think merely owning a firearm should be a crime.
I’m still upset at the guy’s negligence and perhaps it is criminal negligence but you immediately jump to criminality ob facts that do not support criminality because a gun is involved.
@Zeriel Do yo see why I am pointing out the difference between crime and accident here? Its because posters like Sinjin impute criminality in accidents involving guns where they wouldn’t impute an accident if it involved a car. I don’t disagree that this guy is a shithead and should not be allowed to own guns anymore but posters like Sinjin seem ready to convict him based on the fact that a gun was involved in the death of a little girl.
Give it a rest. You do know that CCWs are safer than the general population, right?
Well, whatever were we worried about? “Safer than the general population”, you say? Well, what a relief! I am part of that, and I’m totally cool and responsible. Unless DA says “AWB” one more fucking time, then I may go totally amok!
And I see that DA has completely ignored the fact that a special FBI background check is necessary to own an AW in Oregon which this guy didn’t seem to have bothered with. Not to mention the fact that the guy was charged with manslaughter over his little accident. I’m not going to address DA’s little fantasy trip about how this is exactly the same as an unlicensed driver in an illegal car driving into a home barreling up the stairs and mowing down a child by accident. :rolleyes:
AWB:p
If your Special FBI background check any different than the regular federal FBI background check anyone who buys an NFA weapon in the USA has to pass? :dubious:
Like I said, this guy could very well have committed a crime but we don’t normally assume that anyone who is arrested and charged is guilty. That is unless you are a gun grabber and a gun is somehow involved.
Well, at least you acknowledge it was an accident. Thats progress at least. Maybe now you can stop pretending that anyone who has a gun is secretly praying for little girls to get shot through the head.
Thats about as stupid as when people say that pools don’t shoot people.
I feel like it’s my job to fly the semi-reasonable gun nut flag here.
But yeah, I’d require properly secured locking holsters for CCW–minimal training is required to draw quickly from them, and they make it nigh-impossible to drop your gun or have it snatched out of your holster.
This guy? Again, IMHO, unless it’s a provable manufacturer defect or it’s stolen/lost and you report it PROMPTLY, you should always be 100% responsible for any bullets that leave a firearm that you own or is in your possession.