No, it ain’t. Try again.
Are you likely to think of that if you’re in a rage?
A win-win situation. Happy they canceled each other out without any innocents being hurt.
No innocents hurt? Really? Do you know for a fact that neither of them had any family or friends, or anyone else who might have depended on them or cared about them and will miss them somehow? There are damn few such individuals.
"A Wisconsin man is facing charges for allegedly telling his 6-year-old son, who had at least 3 years of firearms training, to lie after shooting his 4-year-old sister in the face with a shotgun. " http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/17/father-tells-6-year-old-with-3-years-of-gun-training-to-lie-after-shooting-sister-in-face/
It is so strange to me how guns keep turning good guys in to bad guys. It’s like magic or something.
If you really dug into that I suspect you might find an abused spouse, roommate, or co-workers / employees.
Anyone so lacking self control as to get into a deadly road rage incident, probably had a fierce temper around the house and at work as well.
None of that now. Law-abiding citizens, remember?
I can’t recall if we covered the Gilberton, Pennsylvania Police Chief Mark Kessler.
Make that former Gilberton, Pennsylvania Police Chief Mark Kessler.
Here is his July video: - YouTube
And the “apology” tour: - YouTube where he says "Fuucck You, " and ‘get some more… you bunch of f’ing *&%$ suckers, you libtard crybaby pu**ies,’ etc.
Welp, the town council let him go saying he acted inappropriately, including shooting a likenesses of a couple of council members and misusing town property- the guns in the video.
But, never fear! He’s a “good guy” and so are a his supporters who attended the town council meeting where Kessler’s fate was decided. Armed, of course. I’m sure they were not trying to intimidate any council members.
Father should be in jail for whatever the local equivalent of second-degree murder is. His gun, his responsibilty.
And Kessler should be in jail as well for, among other things, terroristic threats.
Y’know, I’ve been a gun owner and recreational shooter for fifteen years, and I can’t say that’s been even a strong minority viewpoint in any group of shooters I’ve associated with. Do you happen to have any polling data, or are we back to the problem of getting lawmakers to listen to the citizens instead of the NRA (representing, at most, 7% of the nation’s firearms owners)?
Y’know, as much as I disagree with your positions, thanks for saying this so I didn’t have to.
Jesus, what’s happening in Nairobi, Kenya - it’s turing into a US city as we speak.
Obviously they need more guns.
I think you’re right, it’s just not exceptional enough.
I don’t know that it’s particularly useful to compare planned terror attacks with a claimed geopolitical cause with lone-gunman mass shootings.
I guess it would if it were a “comparison”.
Having said that, innocent death by random is still innocent death.
I told you Obama was born in the US!
You got a cite for either one?
Are you under the impression we don’t have ANY gun control? We already have gun control, you just want more.
Look at post 4 in that thread.
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Are you daft?
And how is he wrong?
You’re right, the VPC didn’t say these were the only ones. They were simply the only ones they could find. I suppose there were hundreds of secret gun murders committed by CCWs that they were unable to uncover.
So tell me again how many defensive gun uses in a year?
And how many of them were killed with assault weapons?
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He may be right. He may be wrong. He hasn’t presented enough information for even a cursory check. Can you tell me what the total number of CCW people or the total population of Texas that he used for his calculations? Also, anyone with familiarity with official records databases from public agencies knows how fraught with error, missing data and other complications those data are. He has not given any information about these issues in his methods.
I told you these things before. That’s why I labeled this one MOSTLY FAIL rather than total fail. Pay attention; repeating myself because of your lack of comprehension is annoying.
So… do you not see the problem of comparing a partial figure for the subgroup to the total number of homicides in the population? Do you really not get why that’s a problem???
I have no idea, dipshit. I do know that I cannot just select from among a set of flawed estimates based on what I want it to be. Do you?
There are no such things as assault weapons, right?
The poor dear is hearing the voices tell him that if he keeps asking the same questions, then he’ll eventually get the answers he’d rather get, instead of the truthful ones.
Or maybe he’s just JAQ’ing again.
You’re nitpicking and engaging in pettifoggery.
I don’t know if its because of your training and occupation or just plain orneriness but you seem to fail to grasp the difference between proof and evidence.
The way I have been trying to argue is to make a statement and rpesent evidence. You then proceed to point out why my evidence isn’t proof.
Others have seen the evidence http://www.ncpa.org/images/1593.gif
a study by engineering statistician William Sturdevant
There are no studies out there that show CCWs to be more violent or crime prone than the general population. most of the controversy tend to revolve around whether guns reduce crime or merely have no effect.
There is evidence (from Florida) that CCW laws have virtually no effect on crime in rural areas and reduce violent crime while increasing property crime.
Yeah I see why thats a problem but I also see how it has probative value. Can’t you, or are you so blinded by your quest to prove your conclusion that you can’t acknowledge that VPC found most of what was out there to be found?
VPC (a virulently anti-gun organization) combs the records for cases where a CCW has committed murder (one of the best documented forms of crime) and comes up with ten and then implies that this is just the tip of the iceberg as if it was a small fraction, as if there were a hundred more of these cases out there but they just couldn’t find it (and I think there would need to be a hundred more of these cases to reach parity with the general public).
Flawed according to who? You and Hemenway? Pfft. You seem to be unable to recognize evidence unless it is proof.
When did I say that? Assault weapons are a contrived subcatagory of firearms that were banned in 1994 largely on cosmetic and ergonomic features. The current push for a ban couldn’t possibly be because of any effect it would have on gun violence generally, seeing as how an AWB has no effect on gun violence (heck, it wouldn’t even help with suicides). The only real reason that has been put forward is that such a ban would reduce mass killings, so lets see. How many of the victims of these mass killings were killed by an assault weapon?
You’re getting played out and you are dangerously close to being tossed together with Elvis. That would be a shame, I’ve seen you in other threadsd and you aren’t the mindless droid that Elvis is but your hoplophobia (my new favorite word) is making you look bad in the gun debate.
DA, I’m quite confident I’m not the one looking bad. I’m educating you, or trying to as best as humanly possible, about what is and is not evidence. Proof doesn’t enter into it. Chicken Little thought he had evidence that the sky was falling. You are similarly gullible.