He doesn’t really have a point other than “I’m afeared of guns and I wish they didn’t exist so I will start by taking yours”
Dear, dear binary thinker … you’ll never understand what an excluded middle is, will you?
Snarkiness aside, I gather you mean something like this: since even cops, who carry guns as a necessary evil still screw up with them, how much less should non-cops be trusted with them. Well sorry, but I take the opposite lesson away from the incident: that cops don’t deserve to have a special privilege of arms denied the rest of the public.
CT Cop Suspended For Threatening Remarks on Facebook:
http://madworldnews.com/cop-suspended-investigation-disturbing-comment-gun-owner/
What is this excluded middle? Give the cops tasers or make them leave their guns at work?
You’re doing a *mighty *fine job of showing you’re a responsible adult who can be trusted with a weapon, DA, mighty fine indeed.
:rolleyes:
At heart, yes. It follows that the “law-abiding citizen” and “good guy with a gun” memes are not connected with reality, however much **DA **and others may cherish them.
Then *you *want to have cops disarmed along with everyone else, is that what you’re saying? Granted, that does work pretty well in a number of other countries, but it’s a surprise coming from you.
Well, its a good thing I don’t have to show anyone anything. You have to show me why I CAN’T be trusted with a weapon. The burden of proof lies on you because you’re the one that wants to limit my rights. its not aninsurmountable burden unless of course you want to eliminate the right altogether (as you do) in which case, you need 2/3rds of each house of congress and 3/4ths of the states on your side. And I doubt you could get 1/2 of both houses of either house of congress or even half of the states.
So far all your side has managed to do is make the AR-15 a mainstream gun by threatening to take it away. Increase gun sales so much that gun nerds are complaining about price gouging. Increase ammo sales so much that we are still suffering from an ammo shortage (extreme shortage in the case of 22lr). NRA membership went up 250,000 in one month after your side started bashing gun owners and threatening to ban guns. It doubled in NY State after the passage of the NY law. Obama had one or two sentences about guns in his state of the union and he hasn’t mentioned it since. So… good job.
The gun issue is dead for now. Gun regulations are losing in the courts and it is a political loser. There are no swing state (or swing district) candidates that are going to run on tighter gun control. I fully expect to see a “leaked” picture of Hillary Clinton duck hunting in Pennsylvania sometime before the presidential season heats up.
You have no regard for the facts, do you? Thats OK, noone listens to you anyway. In fact it appears that noone that matters even listens to your side of the argument anymore.
I think he is saying that everyone should have the same right to keep and bear arms as cops do. :rolleyes:
I think the part that you’re missing here is that the average cop trains with his firearm much, much less than is commonly believed. Personally, as a gun advocate, I WISH cops and other gun owners trained as hard as I do when I am of a mood to so much as own a pistol. There have been years I’ve shot more practice rounds in a weekend than the average city cop does in a year (which, last I did a google around, seemed to be in the range of 30-300 rounds), and probably under significantly more demanding conditions (since there’s not a lot of departments who claim their yearly training standards involve anything other than fixed-target accuracy).
Then again, the middle ground I believe in is the one where there is required training/licensing and significantly more liability for accidental and negligent idiocy with guns.
Of course, this means you think I’m Ted Nugent and DA thinks I’m to the left of Sarah Brady. Which I figure is a pretty good endorsement for my position.
With my security alarm system, I don’t need to worry about trying to identify someone trying to enter the house at night.
Oddly enough, neither do I need to worry about my security alarm system accidentally killing someone.
Not missing that at all, in fact it *supports *the point about no one being absolutely trustworthy with a firearm. Thanks for the supporting detail.
The training/licensing stuff does nothing to combat basic stupidity or negligence or machismo or suicidal depression or almost any other cause of the gun death rate we suffer from. Liability after the fact, your other prescription, does nothing to help the dead or maimed person.
Don’t flatter yourself. You’re looking for rationalizations, not solutions, too.
Actually I think this would be workable as a modern version of the militia/posse comitatus mustering requirement: if you own a gun, you have to take a supervised training and testing course as a civic duty, like jury duty. No one would actually be forbidden to own a gun on this basis, but you could be fined for not showing up; plus if you pass you only get called back every five years and if you don’t you keep getting called back every three months. 
Sort of like my idea for registration: all firearms would legally be the property of their last owner of record, back to the manufacturer if necessary. Police would impound any guns found in someone else’s possession and return them to their legal owner. There’d be no criminal penalty for not registering your gun, but don’t expect the government to uphold your right of property if you don’t.
Just for the record then, what exactly do you propose we do?
And an intruder does’t have to worry about your alarm doing anything to them either as the kill you and your family. Oh wait, you’re going to tell me that you’re not really at risk of this sort of thing happening because you live in a $3 million neighborhood.:rolleyes: Not everyone lives in crime free zones.
Sure his training requirements sound fine. What do you think of his ideas about charging negligent manslaughter with a firearm as second degree murder and basically ratcheting up all the criminal penalties for negligent homicide to the same sort of penalty we would impose on murderers? Thats the part where I think he goes off the rails. he thinks he has figured out some magic bullet that is going to make some sort of difference because the current penalties for negligent manslaughter (up to 50 years) isn’t enough, we need to send them to jail for life (this is a step back from his initial position of murder 1 which is life in prison with possibility of death penalty in many states).
Let me know if you think I’m unfairly representing your position Zeriel.
As opposed to your “solution” of “permanently get rid of all of a set of devices that are easily manufactured, stored, and concealed”?
Naw, I own that. Negligence penalties for actions as idiotic as “leaving loaded firearms so improperly secured that a kid can get one and shoot someone else” are far, far too small and under-applied in the U.S. as it stands.
:dubious: I would hope not.
Minnesota man shoots son to death for refusing to give him cable TV, then stabs himself.
Why? Remorse? Not quite.
LOL, that guy’s got pretend macho inked all over him. Iron Cross, Nazi eagle, flames on his arm, gun in his belt. Talk about a blatant show of intimidation in the flesh. He went outside in winter without a shirt for a reason.
I’m going to guess that putting a real gun in your belt so that it points directly at your privates is not a smart idea, and that glorifying it with a tattoo indicates a similar lack of intelligence.