Seriously? have you not been following this thread?
The desire to ban guns ranges from the idiotic (assault weapons ban), to the hopelessly naïve (a total firearms ban). These desires have been expressed repeatedly in this thread.
If the idiots in charge of the gun control side would realize that they can never get rid of the second amendment and would actually focus on things that would improve gun safety rather than simply restrict legal access to guns, someone (who is not a gun control type) might take them seriously.
Yes. What was the rate of firearm ownership before the bans in the UK and Australia? These were countries that effectively didn’t drink very much to begin with. The bans had mild actual effects on gun ownership in those countries. in fact this is the primary excuse presented by gun control folks for why the Australian gun ban did not result in a discernible reduction of gun murders in Australia, there just weren’t that many guns there to begin with.
If you want to get rid of guns, you would need to reduce gun ownership to the ted nugents of the world but there are probably more gun owners than registered Republicans or registered Democrats.
Well only if you think being called irrational is an insult. Its not meant as an insult, its meant to describe people who are irrational as being irrational. the fact that you are insulted by it does not change the fact that you are being irrational
Well, Czarcasm seems to be saying that if it gets adopted into popular use, that makes it OK. How will that ever happen if we let him quash our first amendment rights to point out irrationality whenever we see it?
Elvis makes an argument for banning all guns. His response to why we should ban guns from law abiding citizens is that we can’t trust anyone, not even law abiding citizens with guns because anyone can get pissed off and decide to kill someone and it is much easier to do if you have a gun. This is so unrepresentative of the vast majority of gun murders that it is laughable. The vast majority of gun murders are things that we could not prevent if we eliminated the second amendment tomorrow and confiscated the guns of everyone that would admit to having one.
His response to that is that it would be worth it because “if we can prevent even one death…”
He refuses to accept the fact that guns can also deter crimes like murder. If we made all guns illegal then only cops and robbers would have guns. I don’t know how he can be so sure that this wouldn’t make the situation worse in a country where almost every criminal has a gun.
There is evidence that concealed carry permit holders are even more law abiding that the police. So tell me again how people who carry are one bad day away from being mass murderers.
Nothing that’s been said to you has sunk in, even one little bit, has it? Your delusional psychosis makes you invent things you claim others have said, invent their thoughts even, pretend you haven’t been told what you’ve been told …
Now put that thing down before somebody gets hurt.
We still do of research but they don’t want government dollars to fund biased research. I’m sure the NRA would support federal funding of gun research if the NRA got to conduct all the research. Or if the research could be done at places like George mason university or Florida state.
They aren’t the sisters of charity or folks interested in knowledge for knowledge’s sake. They are there to protect second amendment rights.
Now back to my questions. Don’t you think it is deceptive to present the information the way it was presented by these researchers who were NOT at the mercy of the NRA when conducting their research or presenting the conclusions the way they did?
So why is it that we can point to the fact that we have significantly higher murder rates than the rest of the world and say “AHA SEE THERE!!! Its because America has so many guns” But when we don’t see this disparity we have to look deeper and find another reason for why guns are causing more suicides?
The fact of the matter is that our suicide rates are dead fucking average despite having the highest rate of gun ownership among industrialized nations and there is a battle of the experts going on about whether or not there is a significant and sustained reduction in overall suicides as a result of the gun ban.
If that does happen, the body count will be much lower than yours, won’t it? Meanwhile, the car and whatever other tool will be getting used for their primary, intended purposes.
Now put that swimming pool down and back away slowly. Nobody needs to get hurt here.
Simmer down. I’m afraid he’s irritated you enough that some neighborhood kindergarteners will end up paying the ultimate price. According to you, everybody is one bad day away from murder, and you aren’t so completely intellectually bankrupt that you don’t include yourself are you? So do it for the children, ElvisL1ves, and calm down. You are scaring me and I have a right not to live in fear.
In what way is ammonium nitrate more regulated than guns? I can’t be bothered to read the laws, the regulations and proposed regulations to figure out what sort of regulatory scheme is in place but it seems to regulate sale by vendors and does not seem to require a federal background check.
The fact of the matter is that guns are a losing political issue for Democrats and as a Democrat, I wish they would either be very clear about what they want or just drop the issue. A “guns are scary and dangerous” platform is just not very good governance.
There is no difference between a private party sale and an FFL sale of firearms in CA. All must go through an FFL, have a background check, and are subject to the 10 day waiting period.
There are exceptions for interfamilial transfer, some C&R items, and recently, a court case Silvester v. Harris which ruled the 10 day wait unconstititutional for certain classes of people that already possess firearms or have been authorized to possess firearms which was recently decided at the district level. It is being appealed. You participated in a thread discussing this here.
This of course only applies to the law abiding. Oddly enough criminals and prohibited persons continue to obtain firearms in CA.