The Confederate uprising was quashed by military - a “well regulated militia” - not by people randomly pouring out of their homes with personal weapons to enforce laws as they saw fit.
As for the rest of your post, that it was proposed that the citizenry would uphold or veto laws by force of arms - do you have a cite for any of this? It’s believable that there may have been some small number of people proposing this, but I doubt that it was supported by the majority of the founding fathers. That kind of scenario would lead to the masses attacking the wealthy, something the founding fathers, mostly educated and wealthy, certainly did not support.
Stop embarassing yourselves. On a board that is ostensibly dedicated to fighting ignorance, you, hentor, et al disdaining an attempt to duplicate the claims made in the article is nothing less than contemptible. You would rather the story be accepted unthinkingly, even if untrue, because it would further your political goals. Are you this dishonest across your life or do you give yourself special dispensation to being a lying sack of shit WRT gun issues?
They must take pride in their ignorance, or at least have a deeply heartfelt affection for it. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be such scorn for an attempt to correct that ignorance. Guns are a mature technology. A properly functioning gun doesn’t just go off from being handled. The gun in question has to have thd hammer manually thumbed back and the trigger depressed or it will not fire, even if the hammer is forced to fall by literally breaking the eear notch on the hammer. Those are the mechanical facts of the basic design for hammer block revolvers since Iver Johnson introduced the design about a century ago. The proud ignoratti in this thread prefer the idea that a gun is as unstable as bottle a of nitroglycerine as that image supports their goals. Too bad it isn’t true and too bad they prefer lies over truth. If the gun was shipped loaded and cocked, it fired because the trigger was pressed. The end.
By a military composed overwhelmingly of citizens who had (with varying degrees of enthusiasm) voluntarily enlisted- iirc., only about 11% were draftees. Without the widespread support of the men who were to fight, the North could not have found the manpower to defeat the South. The rebellion was not defeated by a standing United States Security Force of semi-mercenary professionals.
Not formally; but it was the overwhelming opinion of the Founders that a free society could not be based on the government having the autonomous power to crush any resistance, no matter how widespread, to its edicts. It’s similar to the idea of jury nullification: strictly speaking juries are never supposed to ignore the law and nullify, but effectively they have the power to so, because the government cannot (except in the most extraordinary circumstances) overrule a Not Guilty verdict.
There is, unfortunately, nothing in the Constitution to support that view, and quite a bit specifically allowing/requiring the government to be able to suppress rebellion. Also to the contrary, the Founders (I’ll copy your bootlicking capitalization) specifically explained right in the the text of the Second Amendment what it was for. As you well know.
It’s all in your pocket copy the Teabaggers handed out, if you want to check.
This is getting to be more and more like a paper towel scenario all the time. This fucknut will be talking about winning any second now! He’s proven the very physical impossibility of the matter! Modern guns do not accidentally discharge!!! The end!!! Way to go, Scumpup Artist.
Actually, modern handguns, as I’ve pointed out, have mechanisms to prevent a discharge when kicked, struck or dropped.
Like any mechanical thing, they can fail but this is vanishingly rare, barring a badly worn gun or inexpert gunsmithing.
Pretty much any accidental discharge will be the result of a finger on the trigger when it shouldn’t be.
The odds of a gun, after going through the USPS system, firing on it’s own at the same time that it is being held, is so far fetched as to dismiss it unless there is some strong evidence to the contrary.
Yes, it is. You are stubbornly clinging to a stupid position out of pride just like SA did because you want to believe something and you are not, by golly, going to let the facts of how a simple mechanical device works get in the way. I tested an actual firearm of the type in the article packed both in a box and then in a padded mailer. You, OTOH, did nothing but read a brief and not necessarily accurate article. Willfully ignorant and unwilling to be swayed by facts is the summary of where you are right now. I repeat, at a board that styles itself as fighting ignorance, you are contemptible.
Answer the questions, chickenshit. Your cowardice is matched only by your dishonesty. One of the reasons gun control is so unsuccessful in the US is that people see chancre sores like you and Hentor leading the charge. You two have probably done more to discredit the gun control movement right from this thread than any 15 gun bloggers I could list. You may not have made readers pro-gun but you definitely made them decide not doing or saying anything on the topic was better than throwing in with you.
Notice these are recalls because the safety feature is defective. As in not working as intended.
Also notice, this involves dropping the firearm, not merely holding it.
If a car model is recalled for defective brakes, are you going to claim that all cars are sold without brakes?
Notice also that the recalls for Old Model Blackhawks are several decades old. Revolvers from that era that weren’t factory reworked to the newer specs are sufficiently rare as to be collectible for that reason alone.
Hentor just doesn’t like that even though I was actively trying to make the gun dry fire, I couldn’t make it happen at all in a box, even though I shook, dropped, and even threw the box. Likewise, he doesn’t like that I could only make it fire in the padded mailer by locating the trigger through the mailer and pressing it with my fingertip. Shaking, dropping, etc. did nothing.
Hentor has his own opinion; he seems to wish he had his own facts too.
Scumpup, in what year was the gun in the incident manufactured? What condition was it in? How was it packed? What was packed with it?
The story says that the woman shipped the loaded handgun and ammunition. Was there additional ammunition shipped with the handgun? What type of ammunition? How was it packed? In what condition was it?
How did you duplicate these factors in your csi rumpus room?
I did some simple experimentation with a a gun of the same type from the same manufacturer. You did nothing. I have some empirical evidence. You have nothing. Are my results definitive for all possible combinations of guns and packaging? No. You have nothing, though, to put against them. Don’t let that stop you from continuing your purple-in-the-face with anger buffoonery. You do have that.
Your experiment with a Vaquero is useless. There are a ton of Old Model Blackhawks without the transfer bar upgrade out there. Old Models are sought out by collectors and Ruger fans but that doesn’t make them very rare. There are 25 of them for sale on gunbroker.com right now, although several are .44mag and other calibers, but there’s plenty of .357s. They start out cheaper than a brand new one but range up to $1300 for the fanciest one with original factory stag grips.
There is no reason she couldn’t have been shipping an Old Model without the transfer bar, and if she were, a good jolt would have caused it to go off. Articles state that it went off when the postal employee picked it up. A loaded Old Model Blackhawk sliding around inside the package when picked up could easily go off if the hammer struck the side of the package.
The articles also say that police officers opened the package and found a gun inside. This incident was investigated by Postal Inspectors from Boise Idaho, Springfield Massachusetts, and Windsor Connecticut, the BATF and two police departments. I would hope that someone would have noticed if the package was opened and someone had been finger fucking the pistol.
Fact - An original 3-screw Blackhawk will go off if you smack the hammer
Fact - Old Model Blackhawks without the transfer bar are all over the place
Fact - An Old Model without the transfer bar could easily go off inside a package
Fact - She was shipping a Blackhawk, vintage unknown
Theory 1 - She was shipping an Old Model 3-screw Blackhawk without the transfer bar, end of story.
Evidence - All of the above.
Theory 2 - Someone must have opened the package and pulled the trigger.
Evidence - None.
If it’s sliding around in the package, the chances are far higher that it would have gone off in transit.
If it’s a fact that the model is unknown, then theory 1 is no more likely than theory 2.
Did you find any articles that had more details? I didn’t find any nor any from the time of the original incident.
Mailing a handgun is only legal if it’s going to a gun shop, gunsmith, manufacturer/service dept.
If that’s the case, the destination address would have clued in the worker as to the probable content.
ETA: Ruger started building the Blackhawk with a transfer bar in 1973.