I figure the best way to confiscate your firearms is with a tank. Maybe an F-22.
I gave you the low estimate dip shit. It’s the number accepted by gun-grabbers when they don’t like the 1 to 2.5 million number given by anonymous phone surveys. You can read more about it here:
http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/hemenway1.htm
But hey, if you guns don’t like science, we can go back to raw footage:
This.
The last (and only) time I had an intruder, I was sitting in my computer room and heard my front door open and close. I stepped out into the hallway to find a rather confused young lady. The conversation went like this:
Me: Hello?
Her: I’m looking for (upstairs neighbor)
Me: Wrong apartment. He’s one up.
Her: Oh… thanks. Sorry (leaves)
It could have gone like this:
Me: (grabs gun) Get out of my house!
Her: (wets herself and runs screaming)
Now, I’m willing to bet that folks like Kable would have treated the second version as a “responsible gun owner defending himself”, even though I was in no physical danger whatsoever.
Basically, I do not think that the number of crimes prevented by responsible gun owners is zero, I do think that the hundreds per day espoused by folks like Kable is bullshit. I think that most of those reports are folks who overreacted to a situation and grabbed their guns when simply turning on a light would have been just as effective, and they then claimed that their guns saved them.
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I gave you the low estimate dip shit. It’s the number accepted by gun-grabbers when they don’t like the 1 to 2.5 million number given by anonymous phone surveys. You can read more about it here:
http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/hemenway1.htm
But hey, if you guns don’t like science, we can go back to raw footage:
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the link; that was an excellent report that seemed to back up my point: unless we have a clear definition of what a defensive gun use is, we won’t have any accurate way of estimating how many DGU’s are performed each year. And, they didn’t provide their definition, or the definition that was used to come up with the 55,000 number you used.
Got a definition?
55,000 was the lowest number on wikipedia. The reference from wikipedia led to that paper you like so much, though that paper cited 65,000 as the low estimate, which more than backed up my point. If you want to know exactly how the questions were asked you can do a little homework. If you have what you think is a more accurate estimate I would be happy to hear it.
Would this count?
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55,000 was the lowest number on wikipedia. The reference from wikipedia led to that paper you like so much, though that paper cited 65,000 as the low estimate, which more than backed up my point. If you want to know exactly how the questions were asked you can do a little homework. If you have what you think is a more accurate estimate I would be happy to hear it.
Would this count?
[/QUOTE]Try it how? Annually is the USA, how often do you think guns are used defensively?
No idea. I figured that while we were waiting for somebody to come along with a survey and a definition of defensive gun use, we could try and figure out what our own definitions were.
So, country singer Mindy McCready is now dead of a gunshot. Suicide.
How sad.
She would have likely been a person who lost access to her guns due to mental health, domestic violence and/or drug and alcohol problems.
Of course, that is provided her gun ownership were registered and background checks were available during any of the many, many documented red flags she presented.
Would this meet your definition?
Fits my definition of “anecdotal”. Post ten of them, it proves something happened ten times. Post a hundred, proves that it happened a hundred times. Post a thousand, proves you have some serious OCD issues.
Would you agree justified defensive gun use happens more often than makes the news?
Why are you against guns in the first place?
Because they kill more good people than bad.
Like beer?
Love beer!
But beer kills more good people than bad.
Never said I was. You said I was. I’m really under no obligation to defend positions that you claim I hold.
Kinda like guns, actually, born and raised in Texas, like nothing better than plinking beer cans with a .22. Pretty good shot, as well. Not likely to shoot anything that might prefer I didn’t, and empty beer cans have very low self-esteem.
Your first question doesn’t make much sense. What do you mean, “makes the news”? In Podunk Falls, twenty miles west of the Docks of Boon, any human-on-human use of a gun is likely to make the news. Detroit, not so much.
Are you trying to imply some conspiracy to withhold all the great stuff about guns?
Not against their will.
I would be happy to hear you clarify your position. How do you think gun control laws should be changed?
Sober people killed in drunk driving accidents will to be killed?