Exactly, thank you for proving my point.
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double whoosh, I whooshed your whoosh! 
I don’t know that there has been a lot of “I know you’re well intentioned but let me suggest something better” on either side.
Folks on this board have mentioned better enforcement of gun laws that we already have.
I think I’ve been saying licensing and registration for years now.
The NRA has plenty of suggestions, you probably don’t think any of them will work but they don’t think any of your suggestions will work either so…
Its really not a case of the gun control side saying lets do something and the gun rights side saying we want to freeze time.
You only get one chance because that is the political reality and you can keep blowing your ticket on pie in the sky crap or you can educate yourself and come up with a better more strategic approach to try and achieve goals that are politically difficult but possible.
I agree. Defeating the Manchin Toomey bill was the gun rights side spiking the ball in the end-zone.
I think licensing and registration would reduce gun deaths. Licensing and registration alone would give the gun rights side seizures for reasons I do not agree with.
If the gun control side proposed licensing (which will only be denied to prohibited persons) and registration (with HIPAA type laws that imposed heavy penalties for unauthorized disclosure, and a legal prohibition against using it as a shopping list for confiscation) AND proposed a national carry license and the elimination of ALL state and local gun laws as well as repeal of restrictions on suppressors and SBR/SBS; I think it could pass in a post Sandy Hook situation. But Sandy Hook situations are vanishingly rare and the gun control side cannot afford to overplay their hand and squander their opportunity for change when it next arises.
I lived in NYC for decades without a car.
I felt the need for a gun during the LA riots.
Then you have a poor understanding of the mindset of the 30-40% of American households that own guns.
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What the hell is this constant meme of “have your gun taken from you”? To hear the gun control proponents tell it, disarming someone is easier than catching a cold in daycare. If guns are that easy to take from someone why do you fear them?
Because bullets move faster than people do, Einstein.
Try to disarm someone pointing a loaded gun at you.
There’s a reason why it’s called "suicide by cop ".
But when it’s a gun carrier, the presumption seems to be that he’ll stand there stammering like Barney Fife while the bad guy leisurely relieves him of his gun.
In other news a far right nutjob enters a Swedish school with the intention of killing students.
Thankfully, due to strict gun control laws he is only able to muster up a sword and so the death toll is mercifully (but still tragically) just 2.
This is apparently the 45th school killing in two years in Sweden…Actually, no…wait, I misread. This is the* second* school killing in* 45 years. *Such an easy mistake to make.
Oh, if only that nutjob had had easy access to a gun, I am sure that by some logic the death toll would have been lower, for some reason. Yes, introducing more guns into that situation would definitely have made things better.
Simple equation, the number of, and easy access to, guns in the USA means more gun deaths. It isn’t rocket science (though ballistics is common to both).
Personally I’m very happy with my governments approach to guns.
If I can justify why I need one and prove my suitability then I can own a firearm. But it is no easy task to prove it and so most people just don’t bother.
None of this applies to the criminals of course, they are free to source and carry whatever they want and should they choose to they could outgun us poor schmucks and force us to live in quivering fear. Scared of “having a cap popped in our bottoms” as I believe is the colloquial saying.
Yet by and large they don’t. They don’t carry because no-one else carries and the expense and difficulty of sourcing a weapon from a small pool and the harsh penalties involved act as further discouragement.
So were the USA to remove the vast majority of guns from private hands and severely restrict future access you would likely have far less deaths. But you never will because “constitution” or some shit like that. Having lots of guns means you have the illusion of protection while actually being at greater risk…well…whatever. It is literally your (or your four-year-old’s) funeral.
Or, assuming we’re talking about the real world rather than gun fetishist fantasy land, a mugger grabs someone from behind and relieves them of their wallet AND their gun.
But you’re clearly in gun fetishist fantasy land, so presumably all muggers approach their targets from the front and clearly announce their intention to rob some one when they’re 50 yards out, giving the noble defender of rights plenty of time to draw, aim, and shoot. Or maybe if grabbed from behind, the noble defender whips out his fancy special ops kung fu moves to to gain the upper hand (making the gun useless in the first place, but maybe they could brandish it afterwards or something).
Prediction: at least one reply to this will focus on the “50 yards” part to lambaste me as “low information” since I picked some random number rather than figuring out what distance makes most sense in my obviously satirical hypothetical.
No, the good guy will be on the ground bleeding out when the bad guy relieves him of his gun. The bad guy knows when he is going to kill someone. The good guy doesn’t know even know who is going to kill him. Unless he’s a mind reader and can shoot the bad guy before he draws his gun; but the cops frown on that, because then he’s just shooting another good guy.
Good guys with guns have this fantasy that they will go up against the bad guy and outdraw him, as if bad guys adhered to some code that prevents them from shooting people in the back. How are you going to defend yourself from a bad guy who is willing to shoot you in the kidney when you least expect it?
I’m not saying people can’t be ambushed; cops get ambushed and shot with their own guns (thankfully not that often). They make retention holders just so that a sidearm can’t be snatched easily; but this constant refrain of “they’ll just take your gun away” is imbecilic.
Are you suggesting that if armed robbers knew many of their victims might be armed, they would resort to murdering people in cold blood and then looting their bodies? Fortunately there aren’t too many people willing to risk life without parole for a wallet or a purse. If there really were that many monsters out there, the kid gloves would come off and these career murderers would be hunted down like animals and publicly hanged.
You aren’t suggesting we mustn’t fight back against criminals because that’ll just provoke them??:mad:
There were good guys with guns at Umpqua Community College. They looked out the door of their classroom, thought for a moment, and decided they did not want to risk because nag mistaken for bad guys. So, yaay for their due restraint. And, as to the usefulness of their weapons, well …
In the history of the Internet there have been just six proven true double whooshes (some claim seven, including one from an early bulletin board, but I digress).
When I was alerted to the possibility of another, you cannot imagine how excited I was. What a total fucking disappointment.
The father of the four-year old may have himself to blame. He was in fear and could have legally begun shooting first.
But perhaps he didn’t fire because he was conserving his ammo – the libtards have forbidden road-rage sized magazines, right? That makes Emperor Obama once again the real guilty party here.
(I suppose it’s conceivable he didn’t even have a gun, in which case he wins the stupidity-of-the-day award. Provoking road rage in America without a gun? :eek: :smack: )
I presume this is a rhetorical question on your part. You’ve been here long enough and gone round n’ round with this exact group of people enough that you must, by this point, understand that they consistently press only one point: The gun owner is always wrong, no matter what. ** Always.**
Isn’t that what usually happens? In the real world, that is.
Sigh … been over that many times, but futilely. I don’t fear guns themselves, nobody really does except in Damuri’s porn stash. What we fear is assholes with guns.
Just take his gun away from him.
I know, but I don’t want to concede by silence. Fighting ignorants has become a habit.