And now it isn’t. So why act as if it is?
Right because rapes are inevitable so you might as well just submit and enjoy it. After all you can’t even get pregnant from rapes. The body has mechanisms to prevent that. Right?
Yeah, you’re better off just dying without putting up a fight.:rolleyes:
And if you can get to your gun, there is a good chance that you will fire before the intruder. Try playing hide and seek and see if the hider sees the seeker first or if the seeker sees the hider first. When an intruder enters the room, you are pretty sure they are coming through the door. The intruder has no idea what the room looks like or where in the room you will be.
See LA riots.
And you have not established to any degree of that owning a gun hurts you more than it helps you. All I have seen is correlation between people who own guns and people who get murdered. there is an even greater correlation between people who are single and people who get murdered; people who rent their home and people who get murdered; people who do drugs and people who get murdered; etc.
There are neighborhoods that are this dangerous in places like Chicago and NYC. Would you support gun ownership in these neighborhoods? When these residents of these neighborhoods try to use this as “good cause” to get a gun license, the response is always “no, mere self defense is not good cause to own a gun”
And you know who ELSE was from Austria?
A nine-year-old boy in San Jose, CA is recovering from surgery after being struck in his bed by a rifle bullet when his upstairs neighbor shot himself in the foot.
Politicians cannot admit to wanting to ban guns no matter where their heart lies because the fact of the matter is that it is politically impossible (which is why I am comfortable with things like licensing and registration, it is a politically toxic enough position that almost no one is willing to admit to it). 20% of Democrats own guns, and they’re not all hunters. They own them for all the same reasons that non-Democrats own guns.
The folks that can admit to wanting to ban guns are people who aren’t subject to the political process or who are in ultra safe Democratic districts.
Anti-gun organizations like the folks at the Violence prevention center at Harvard
Private individuals like Elvis and Hentor
Commentators like Piers Morgan and Rachel Maddow
But, in the end, the fact that politicians cannot safely promote repealing the second amendment or banning all guns tells me that its just not a real threat. Heck, they couldn’t even pass a meaningless fig leaf AKA, the Manchin-Toomey bill after the most horrific US mass shooting in living memory.
:rolleyes:
You haven’t even tried to understand a single thing you’ve been told, have you?
Only in your fantasies. Which are extensive.
You keep saying that like it means something. Well, no, it doesn’t.
Cites aplenty. Horse, water.
If you are boiling down our entire argument to “then second amendment says so” then you haven’t been paying attention. I am merely responding to someone who is being flip about the cornerstone of modern democracy.
I don’t think gun ownership is a universal human right. If I did, I wouldn’t bother with making cost/benefit arguments any more than I would with slavery.
I think that there is a good argument for private gun ownership in America.
So the gun rights side never denies that guns kill people. Heck, legally owned guns kill people by accident and law abiding citizens can turn into murderers. But the gun control side seems to have a lot of trouble admitting that there are a lot of benefits to private gun ownership.
It would help if you could support that claim with facts, not your fantasies and fears. You do realize, I hope, in some far corner of your fear-ravaged, murder-rationalizing brain, that this stuff about overthrowing tyranny is not the product of a fully healthy mind. But that’s at the top of the list, isn’t it?
The type of government that needs overthrowing would probably not be particularly offensive to most of the people that think that we need guns to overthrow the government. Most of the “in defense of tyranny folks” don’t really mind tyranny as long as it is their brand of tyranny.
None of these guys were talking about second amendment solutions when they passed the Patriot Act. No, it took the tyranny of Obamacare and universal access to healthcare to make people realize how tyrannical the government had become.
The LA riots are just one example of where armed civilians did what cops and the national guard couldn’t do. Because they weren’t there or they didn’t care.
During the LA riots, rioters were burning down Koreatown. On the second day of riots, the Korea storeowners armed themselves with guns and the burning stopped. It clear that the guns are the reason the burning stopped in that part of town. Storeowners pleading with rioters and looters were either ignored or beaten and had their livelihood burned to the ground. Storeowners with guns were able to open their stores for business when the national guard moved in and restored peace.
So that is at least one example where private ownership of guns was useful and good for society.
And those cites are pretty worthless for the purpose you are using them for.
I don’t think you’re doing a very good job of keeping track of my position. Are we all just blurring into one big internet gun nut to you?
Did the uprising of an armed citizenry, against “the tyranny of Obamacare” (uh, wow) already happen and we just missed it?
Or is that stuff all somewhere between mere self-gratification and psychotic delusion?
WTF are you talking about? I promised myself I would stop engaging you because you are incoherent. I’m just going to back away slowly.
When do you expect the next race riots in your town?
But the murders continue apace, in those neighborhoods and elsewhere, without rioting. Why?
I’ll take “Rivers in Egypt” for $200, Alex.
Tell us more about “the tyranny of Obamacare”, please. :rolleyes:
Then tell us why you chose to accept that tyranny instead of standing up for what you claim to be your beliefs.
Don’t know if this rises to the level of “stupid”, but these two guys managed to blow themselves up with a tank.
I don’t know. Let me know when racism is over.
Like I said it was an example of the positive uses of guns presented to an audience of gun control folks who might think that guns have no positive benefits.
Yep, and that is the state of the gun control argument.
Maybe you should re-read post 6349 to see if I am actually saying obamacare=tyranny or making fun of people who didn’t think the patriot act was tyranny but thought Obamacare was.
I am for universal medicare and I think the “in defense of tyranny” argument is pretty stupid. AFAICT, we agree on more positions than we disagree on, except I reach my positions through thinking about the issues independent of what other people on “my side” think about one set of issues think about other issues.
Many on both sides of the debate tend to paint with too broad of a brush.
I barely have time to follow the Top Five most important political, social or economic controversies of modern America. And gun rights don’t even make the Top Fifty list. I skim this thread just for the recreational outrage: there’s so much stupidity on display. (Part of the stupidity is just thinking that gun rights are a Top Five issue.) Reading Smapti is simply more fun than the latest nonsense from Republiopathic candidates like Jeb!, Trump! or even Ben!
Your recent posts, Damuri Ajashi, suggest that you are intelligent and moderate. I don’t find all internet gun nuts the same: many seem to be cowards, many racists, many hate government, many hate people willing to challenge police. It doesn’t matter to me whether they blur together or not. I call out stupidity when I see it. And today, I’m calling you out, Damuri, for being intelligent and moderate. 
However I mght have to retract that if you repeat If you are boiling down our entire argument to “then second amendment says so” then you haven’t been paying attention. In fact a huge HUGE portion of the gun nuts do seem to rely on their precious Second Amendment as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd most important reasons for gun rights – and have only stupid responses to queries about that Amendment. You’re so busy characterizing the anti-gun people, you seem to know very little about your fellow gun nuts.