Do they have medals to reward this kind of bravery?
She doesn’t want a medal. She’ll settle for a dog treat.
I meant for you. Walking around, in the outdoors, without a gun. The brass ones you must have…
I got that but I was just ignoring it. You know that there really are parts of the US that have wild animals running loose don’t you?
I lived in rural Alaska for seven years, and never felt the need for a gun. Guess I was just lucky.
Is he maybe talking about L.A.?
Maybe so. I haven’t needed a seatbelt in 40 years either but I’ll continue wearing one and would even if it wasn’t required by law.
I bet you still carry that tiger repellant stone in your pocket too.
No, no tiger repellant stone. Do they make one for Mountain lion, badger and Wildhog? I’d have to also make sure that it doesn’t repel my dog too because, remember, I don’t carry a gun, I walk a dog.
We’re coming for your guns, and your little dog, too!
Dog grabber doesn’t have much of a ring to it and I think dog catcher is already taken. Puppy purloiner perhaps?
INSURANCE!!! Gee, why didn’t all those storeowners risking their lives during the riots think of that!!!:rolleyes:
You really think all those storeowners were risking their lives to avoid filing a few insurance forms?
There is a reason they didn’t rebuild the area for years after the riots. There was no money. Those stores were in areas that were uninsurable. I suppose we could just tell people not to own stores in poor neighborhoods. I remember a guy from my college who didn’t come back the following year because his family business burned down. How much sacrifice would you put your family through in order to avoid having to shoot a criminal that wanted to burn down your property? For my part, while I am not eager to ever find myself in a bad situation, I am not bothered by the notion of shooting criminals in order to protect my family’s welfare.
You keep brandishing the L.A. riots like Von Helsing showing a crucifix to Dracula. You assert without a shred of evidence that CCW laws in Utah are the reason the crime rate is lower in Utah than in New York City. You assert that the second night of violence in L.A. was less destructive because people brought out their guns. Evidence? Your sincere belief that it is so.
Maybe there is less crime in Utah than NYC because there are more Mormons. Maybe is because there are more Starbucks in NYC. Maybe the second night of the riots was less intense because people had calmed down somewhat, or maybe it wasn’t less intense at all. Evidence offered: zero, replaced by witnessing and testimony.
Because you say so? That’s it, that’s all you got? Tell me why I should take such an argument seriously.
So you think that LA continued to burn pretty much everywhere it had burned the night before except in places where storeowners defended their property with firearms purely by coincidence? You demand a level of proof that you generally never offer yourself.
I offer proof that there is correlation between CCW and low crime levels, pretty much everywhere. Sure, that might all be due to some extrinsic factor but you seem to be saying that there is no way that there is a causative effect based purely on faith.
At least one researcher has concluded that more CCW=less crime.
I’m sure there are people who have found the opposite but noone seems to have found that ccw contributes to more crime.
Because your habit of dismissing things that don’t support your argument is part of what caused the utter defeat of your side on the gun control issue. An issue we might not see again for a generation because your side lives in an echo chamber on this issue.
You can’t dismiss the notion that storeowners in LA successfully protected their property with firearms (despite all the contemporaneous video evidence to the contrary) any more than you can dismiss the notion that the cops were exercising undue force on Rodney King because there is some corner case that might make you right. Any reasonable person would conclude that the rest of LA burned while the places defended by armed storeowners did not because the guns were a deterrent to looters and arsonists. Do you really think that your position is reasoanble?
You can’t dismiss the fairly consistent correlation between CCW and lower rates of confrontational crime by writing it off to the influence of all the mormons in the midwest. Do you really think that it is reasonable to simply dismiss this as mere coincidence or the result of high mormon populations? You think Utah is the only place that people looked at when they tested this correlation? I’m not saying that CCW make a huge difference btu i think even the most ardent anti-gun researchers concede that having CCWs do not contribute to gun violence. So if there is no harm and there might be a positive effect to having CCWs, then why the fuck not? It seems pareto optimal?
More not stupid news:
"Adolphus Busch IV, heir to the Busch family brewing fortune, resigned his position on the board of the National Rifle Association on Thursday, writing in a letter to NRA President David Keene, “I fail to see how the NRA can disregard the overwhelming will of its members who see background checks as reasonable.” "
DA:
You’re quite right, any suggestion that a population consisting largely of Mormons cannot be used to dismiss your claims regarding CCW effect on local crime stats in Utah. Clearly, my contention is so baseless and silly, one might almost think it were offered in sarcasm.
I withdraw from our conversation with grave embarrassment and chagrin.
Are you under the impression that this effect only exists when you compare Utah with places like NYC? This effect isn’t universal and it isn’t pronounced but it is there and it is measurable.
I see. More than merely “measurable”, but somewhat less than “pronounced”. Actually, no, I don’t see. What the heck does that mean? Perhaps you could just offer the cite, and let us make up our own descriptions?
The GunFAIL update. One incident in which a dumbass in the house was practicing his quick draw, and ended up shooting a 9 year old girl in the head. She was playing in the backyard while he was fantasizing about being a hero inside.
Coyotes and wild hogs? Thats what they make the .460 for 
Mine has not practical use for me other than to look really shiny at barbecues.
Did you miss the cite to the study done on thsi subject earlier in this thread. Even Hemenway has conceded that CCW do not seem to make matters worse (of course he doesn’t think that there is a significant improvement in gun violence either).
Your obstinate refusal to consider the facts objectively (on CCW, the LA riots, and the right to defend your livelihood) is shared by many on your side of the debate and you guys are in the same category as global warming denialists on this one, you are reaching for the less likely answer (perhaps not as certainly less liekly but still less likely) because you don’t like where the facts lead you.
Laser training systems offer a very affordable of quickdraw training that can be used at home and also trains your marksmanship. All without firing any live rounds or even loading any rounds into your gun. Sure it costs as much as a cheap gun but it probably saves you many times its cost in ammunition (especially these days).