That falls under the “willfully ignorant/delusional” subcategory. In fact engineers specifically are known to have an unusually high proportion of religious and right wing extremists worldwide; the theory I’ve heard to explain it is that since engineering is about how to do things rather than understanding the history or nature of the world it allows smart, well educated fanatics to avoid confronting their baseless or false beliefs. You can be a creationist and still be a good engineer, but not a good biologist or cosmologist.
To be fair, the exchange began with an attribution of motivations.
Evils can be the end result of aggressive hate or can result out of acedia, of mental/spiritual inertia, not bothering to know, care or act about something or to really ask if you should. The church fathers classed that under the capital vice of Sloth because yes, it does bear evil fruit, as a sin of omission,
The willful ignorance caused by only informing yourself and thinking critically about what’s “in your lane” and who cares about anything outside of it, as described by Der_Trihs is often a special case of this.
I’m really tired of this. It’s fine to people voting for Harris vermin, communists, traitors, anti-American, domestic enemies, snowflakes, whatever, but you call someone misinformed.
No one ever worries that calling Democrats or liberals “the enemy”, “elitist”, “baby-killers”, etc., will further cement their votes.
If I was still a Republican, I would totally worry. Trump is a weak candidate because of that. Harris only has a chance because Trump is so bigoted.
Maybe you can point to some handwringing on that side of the political divide, by people who still support that side.
Re last post, as soon as internet search engines came out, it became possible to find a link for anything desired. But this request is super-easy to find. Here is the first link I came to today (from X — Rick Wilson’s whole tweet is below):
From his Wiki page:
A former member of the Republican Party
In 2018, Wilson released his first book, Everything Trump Touches Dies, in which he laments the re-alignment of the Republican Party behind Trump.[25][26][27] The book reached number one on the New York Times nonfiction bestseller list for a week.[28] An audiobook read by Wilson was released alongside the print version.
Wilson’s second book, entitled Running Against the Devil: A Plot to Save America from Trump – and Democrats from Themselves, was published in January 2020.
Anybody else notice that the “Make America Great Again” cohort is also the “My country: love it or leave it” cohort?
They truly are profoundly irony-impaired.
Re RitterSport’s last post, Rick Wilson was citing what Trump’s campaign mangers said.
Hundreds of articles like this must exist:
Republicans Rip Into “Foolish” Trump for Losing Focus
At the National Review, handwringing is a specialty:
The NR is also anti-Trump. I’d love to see an article from Fox News or the NY Post where they worry about working class people in NY delis the same way that the NY Times worries about folks in Midwest diners.
The Midwest diner folk are in swing states and are a major decider in the election. NY diner crowd? Not so much so.
Probably more fair to look for concern over his unpopularity with woman voters as the comparison. I don’t watch Fox but pretty sure there has been handwringing and attempted reframing/rewriting/lying based on that?
Maybe?
I suppose this is off-topic, though.
Is someone who is complaining about illegal immigrants and voting for Trump because of that stupid or misinformed? Did they hear that Trump killed the conservative-drafted bi-partisan immigration bill?
Very often, I find when you confront MAGA with inconvenient facts they shut down or simply deny them. Trump could look up into the noon sky, comment on how bright the moon is, and attack the person who correctly tells Trump he’s looking at the moon. For a group of people fond of wearing “Fuck Your Feelings” attire a few years back, these people are ruled by their feelings.
And you think the D side is devoid of that?
Humans are not Vulcans.
On immigration I think neither stupid or misinformed necessarily. Upset. And incompletely informed. In my conversations they know about Trump’s killing the bill but they question why it had gotten “so bad” before that with “so little done.”
I don’t remember the D side wearing shirts that say Fuck Your Feelings – maybe I missed that. No one thinks that Democrats, liberals, progressive are too insensitive about people’s feelings.
Not the issue, being “ruled by feelings” was, but I’ll play!
Of course we say fuck their feelings. Their feelings are fear and resentment mostly over a perceived loss of relative status. They get their feeling all hurt over scary books in school libraries. You don’t read a lot of “fuck their feelings” about that?
I read tons about how we have to be concerned about their needs and resentments, that they feel economic insecurity and feel condescended to by elites, and should be handled with kid gloves.
I read people saying that if you’re the favored demographic, treating others fairly can feel unfair, and we should understand that, and that’s why they are voting to tear things down.
But, sure, when they are hatefully discriminating against and harming trans kids because they are transphobic, for example, I do hear more fuck them in those cases, yes.
I said they’re ruled by their emotions not that they have them. Trumpers live in an alternate reality because they are emotionally incapable of examing anything that challenges their conceptions. Are there Democrats like that? Sure. But I can sit down with the Democratic base and have a constructive conversation because we all agree on the basic facts. I can’t do that with the Republican base these days.
No, refusing to condemn them “cements them in their lean”. After all, why would their opponents shy away from criticizing them and constantly pander to them unless those opponents knew they were right? As well as being “weak cowards”.