The two felonies that had the word “rape” in the title were dropped, but the three felonies of which Turner was convicted are entirely unambiguous. Wapo cite
Brock Turner was convicted of:
assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman
sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object
sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object.
I think they dropped the other charges because there was no semen - probably because he was interrupted, of course. The victim was found with dirt and pine needles in her vagina.
Here’s the victim’s statement in full - it’s well worth a read.
I’d say once you force your victim to relive her rape over the course of an entire year because you think the fact that she has memory loss means you could get away with it, then lose the court case anyways, you lose the right to a plea bargain. And the right to be able to eat solid food again.
It’s also a damn dirty lie. Brock at no point addressed this remorse to the one person he should have addressed it to - the victim. He never gave any indication that he was sorry for what he did, or that he accepted responsibility.
This judge should be fucking disbarred. This is a travesty.
Oh yeah, on a side note: a friend of mine on facebook responded to this with, “If there actually was a rape culture, he wouldn’t have seen jail time”. Or should I say former friend, because I am just absolutely sick of that sniveling bullshit. You want rape culture? Here’s your fucking rape culture. A culture wherein the true victim is the rapist, except they aren’t really a rapist, because they’re such a nice guy and they were all drunk, and the real villain here is political correctness.
But the system doesn’t work without defense attorneys, and even pieces of shit deserve good ones (which is an indictment of the public defender process in most areas - even the good ones are buried under overwork).
I said his methods were contemptible. But I don’t blame a parent for saying contemptible things in defense of their child. I’m not a parent but if I was I’d be willing to slander, defame, and lie about somebody if it kept my kid out of prison.
I expect a normal parent to place their love for their child above their interest in objective justice. I expect a parent to be biased towards their child.
Dan Turner wants to save his son from prison. And I’m sure Emily Doe’s father wants to beat Brock Turner to death with a baseball bat. That’s why our legal system keeps family members out of the loop. A parent’s bias in favor of their child shouldn’t be a factor in our legal system. The legal system is supposed to be impartial.
If you did that, I’d call you a piece of shit, too. You’re saying that if you knew your child had murdered someone, you’d do whatever it took to try and keep your kid out of prison, EVEN THO YOU KNOW HE DID IT??? What the fuck kind of psychopath would do that? Oh right, people like Dan Turner.
You would actively try and aid your child in avoiding responsibility and consequences for their actions, even when their actions irreparably harm another?
That’s completely psycho in my opinion.
I would expect a parent to want to see their child suffer as little as possible, but when a person has done wrong, I prefer for people to admit it and accept the consequences, no matter the relation. Yes, I have faced this kind of situation and in every case I have not defended the piece of shit (I usually cut them out of my life), so yes, I’m talking from personal experience.
I do too, but I don’t expect them to ignore facts and try and cause more pain and suffering for the innocent person that their precious child has already harmed. How far would you, Little Nemo, really be willing to go? Would you hide the body? Would you fabricate an alibi? From your post, it certainly seems that you would do anything to save your child, no matter his crime and frankly, that’s an indefensible position to take, IMO.
But the parent’s bias DID have a place in this case, and it resulted in what many (hopefully it’s actually “most”) people consider a travesty.
Since you have said you would do the same things Dan Turner did, and more, to defend your child, I’m curious to know: do you think this was justice served or a travesty?
You know what makes me happy about this whole thing? The one little thing that is good? That if anybody in the future Googles this guy or the judge, this whole case will be all over the first page of results. They fucking deserve that at the least.
That’s fair. It is the defense attorney’s job to put their best foot forwards - it is the judge’s job to decide their best isn’t good enough, and that this asshole will be spending the next decade in prison.
“But where do we draw the line and stop worrying about being politically correct every second of the day and see that rape on campuses isn’t always because people are rapists.” ETA: scooped by Budget Player Cadet
Even if I thought my kid was innocent I wouldn’t do this. Because I know it would make me and them come out looking terrible and seal in many people’s minds that the apple didn’t fall that far.
I don’t think that crap letter was the thing which decided the sentence anyway. If it was that easy to influence a judge, no one would ever do hard time. All the father accomplished was destroying his image along with his son’s. That his son got off lightly only adds insult to the injury caused by that letter.
I am perfectly happy to pit someone for trying to protect a rapist from the consequences of their actions, regardless of any blood ties. The father is a scumbag and if it were up to me would get prison time for the offensiveness of his defense of his son. In protecting his child, he’s attacking someone else’s child. That’s just evil.