And I do believe that we should worry about Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. I don’t know if we can stop it but we should try. A pariah state like Iran having a couple nuclear weapons is far more worrisome to me than Russia having 3,000 ICBM’s. Its all about who has them more than the fact that they exist to me. I don’t like North Korea having them either.
I mean seriously, Iran clearly hates Israel very, very much, even their leadership alludes to the elimination of Israel as a desirable thing constantly. If they were to ever get crazy with the cheese whiz and launch or drop a nuke on Israel, it would spawn a nuclear war. The entire Middle East and the world doesn’t want that.
Heroes? You could invade the country and cause untold death and destruction, or target the actual members of the military-industrial apparatus who are developing the nuclear weapons with precision and no collateral damage. Unless you are the same type of dimwit who wants to put Afghans who kill American soldiers on battlefields on trial for murder, surely you understand the difference between legitimate and illegitimate targets.
Yes, keep pretending you’re not running interference for the Iranian government while you deny that the Islamic revolution even happened.
Please describe a plausible scenario under which this will happen. You are claiming this is something worth worrying about. I would completely agree with you that we should stop Iran using the best means necessary if you can provide the evidence that this scenario is realistic.
This scenario, Robot’s millenial theory, even, and this part is sad, the “Iranians are developing a nuclear weapon” theory have no basis in verifiable fact. These are the pillars on top of which killing innocents, arming terrorists, and economic sanctions rest. It’s pathetic, 2003ish.
No, not true. It’s clear that the Iranian government is hiding something, or at least acting as if they were. From bulldozing a site that the IAEA wanted to view to, year after year, failing to provide all the data and openness that the IAEA needs to verify the peaceful nature of their program. Concluding, for a fact, that Iran is developing a nuclear weapons program is unsupported. But concluding that they’re acting as if they have nothing to hide is falsified.
The simple truth is that we do not know. Anybody who tells you one thing or another, as if it’s a certainty, is trying to sell something.
What* is* true is that Iran’s government is locked into a pattern of hatred towards Israel, and regularly issues worrying comments to the effect of “getting rid of them”, however people choose to phrase or interpret their unambiguous desires to rid the Middle East of the Israeli “scourge”.
Personally, I think that the simplest explanation of that is that some branch of the Iranian government itself ordered the assassinations to punish the scientists for letting Stuxnet through. But even if it was done by the US or Israel or other western powers, that’s still a separate act from Stuxnet itself. You can’t complain about the bloodshed caused by Stuxnet, because Stuxnet caused no bloodshed. It killed nobody. It injured nobody. It caused pain to nobody. And personally, I’m all in favor of things that don’t kill, injure, or hurt anyone.
Actually the simplest explanation is that the Iranians created Stuxnet to blame a scientist that had been sleeping with Ahmadinejad’s daughter. They then blew him up.
The argument was about this approach as a substitute for other approaches. I also wasn’t remarking on Stuxnet’s damage to people. I was commenting on the thought process that lead to Stuxnet.