Suggestion for a new tablet?

Generally there are 2 main types of bloatware, some of which you can do things about, some you can’t.

One is normally some form of launcher and skin, that make the product visually dissimilar from the Android base, and add some theoretically nifty features, like non-standard widgets, but it comes at the cost of that little bit of extra processing going on in the background, which is a concern on budget devices.

The second is various “Samsung” or “OnePlus” (this is true for most non-Pixel brands) titled apps that work, but are basically replacing some browser / health app / weather app that’s already available from Google directly via the play store, are updated less frequently, and are (like many free apps to be clear) and harvesting your information. I’m not saying 100% that they’re worse, but if you’re already stuck giving that info out via one source, why give it out to more. And they may or may not integrate with other Google apps you’re used to. These are generally safe to delete though sometimes it really doesn’t want you too, and download whatever you’re already using/comfortable with.

The other issue with the second type is that it often exists to sell you more Samsung products - upgrades, their Smartwatch series, and other connected devices. Nothing too damn blatant, but noticeable. This is almost completely ignorable though, especially if your desire for other tech-toys isn’t that strong. I do have a weakness…

The very very top end, yeah, but IMHO, you’re paying too much for it. Some of the gaming tablets and Samsung’s Ultra series have really impressive benchmarks, but you’re normally looking at $900-$1100. And it’s no better than an Apple product in the same range. I know plenty of people who don’t hesitate to buy a phone in that price range, but tablets are a slightly more edge-use scenario due to their size and somewhat reduced portability.

Personally, I’m a more budget buyer - I like phones in the $4-500 range (not cheap, but most of the features I want/need), and my tablets in the $2-300 range. Tablets used at home seem to be more drop prone (-gives cats side eye-) falling off the couch, the bedstand, what have you. So I consider them semi-expendable, and my needs are modest. I mean, that’s why I have a desktop computer and a laptop if I want power!

It can be all OR none of the above. The two issues I mentioned about Bloatware above apply, but it’s often (not always) more extreme, especially the skin. Some of the ones on Amazon run customized Android forks that don’t play well with the Google play store, and or use their own (so back to things like the Fire), though by no means all. There’s concern in the community that they involve more aggressive spy/adware than you’d see in most tablets mass produced for the US market, though I haven’t seen strongly convincing evidence for that.

My biggest concerns are unlike major models that I can go hands-on with (see @puzzlegal’s post) at a Best Buy / Cellular Carrier / etc., I can get very little real life information on the devices. Just some well brushed (or entirely add generated) pics and spec sheet from whatever they’ve posted. The VastKing I bought 4-5 years ago was very well made, with a lightweight aluminum body, no rough edges, and all the ports still function pretty well. It does have a skin, but it’s not particularly intrusive, and I deleted any apps I wasn’t actively using. But it’s layout (dropdown, settings, etc.) was noticeably different, and worse of all (for me, not the average user) it was a one-size fits most for cellular bands.

Yes, I have one cellular enabled tablet, which is very nice for me but my cell line for it was a BOGO originally, and even now only costs about $5 per month. But that means it only supported some of my carrier’s bands, and thus it’s speed was much slower at most times than my phone.

Anyway, two last issues. First, service - outside the limited warranty given to return/replace by Amazon (normally a month or less) you’re normally SOL if something goes wrong. They’ll frequently let you ship it back to them for “repairs” but that’s often a month(s) long process and who knows if they’ll fully honor anything. Though this is true for any number of products on amazon, where you get a great deal, and find out the company selling it gone-gone-gone months later if you have a problem, but a nearly identical product is being sold under a new name, by a new company…

The one I -did- have an issue with was with resets. I retired the VastKing 2 years back from active use and swapped the SIM into a new tablet, but I continued to use it as my bedside reader/surfing tablet. And, as happens, one day it froze. Happens. So I tried a soft reset (didn’t work) and eventually a hard reset, which DID… but the recovery menu came up in Chinese.

I’ve had experience working with these menus, but it basically took a lot of trial and error of guessing the prompts to get it to do the full factory reset and it came back up in the English skin mode again. I suspect someone not comfortable with the fiddling would have trashed it and bought a new one.

So, yes, long story. But in short, if you’re not worried about possible spyware, do as much research as possible (hard, depending on model), and comfortable with fiddling with it (YMMV), then yeah, a cheap Chinese model is generally a good deal as long as you’re looking for performance to price ratio. Especially if you’re comparing it to the budget models of a lot of devices.

Me, personally? I’ve done it, it was pretty good, but not good enough to keep buying them when I have other options - though again, my use-case is far more rare than a typical wi-fi only user. I mostly mention them as an alternative to Amazon’s fire system, where you’re already locked into a weird android fork, can’t use Google’s play store without hacking, etc.

I’m an Android and Windows user through and through, but some music software requires an iPad, so about a year ago, I got a previous-generation one for pretty cheap on Best Buy. It works fine and will likely remain zippier than a crappy, super-discounted Amazon Fire tablet.

Once you’re on a tablet, I don’t think the OS matters much – I like the widgets on my Android phone, and the flexibility in browsers, etc. I don’t care as much on a tablet, so go with the longer-lasting iPad if you ask me.

For media consumption, web browsing and light app usage, this isn’t really an issue before the devices starts mechanically failing.

This isn’t going to matter for a tablet that sits next to the couch, and can always be on Wi-Fi, though.

True! But I did mention that I’m a rare use case, twice and why for me, myself and I (myself is the jerk, stay away from him, too full of himself) it wasn’t an option I was interested in continuing.

So, to boil down the wall of text in the prior quotes - I’d be willing to consider a budget Chinese tablet in the same way I can and have purchased a new Fire. I know I’m getting major compromises, and I’ve decided it’s worth it price wise. But I don’t consider either of them as being as dependable, reliable or flexible as a budget choice from other reputable manufacturers. Still, the 1/2 to 1/3 of the costs are very attractive.

Thanks, that’s a helpful perspective. I don’t want to have to fuss with it, and as I started out saying, price is not the primary point. (I am like other consumers, sometimes I can get dazzled by a very low price, to the detriment of common sense.)

so, this/these are something I’ll be stuck with?

OK, so I will try to uninstall these when I get my tablet.

thank you!

One other thing to consider about the no-name Chinese* tablets is security. They don’t get Android system updates as quickly, or for as long as (in terms of years of ownership) as the Pixel or Samsung tablets. Out of the box they may be more vulnerable to malware and other exploits, and over the years they will progressively fall further and further behind Android security updates.

Android’s update model is not like Microsoft’s or Apple’s. Google doesn’t update them; each tablet manufacturer has to make their own updates, and many don’t bother with it and leave you vulnerable.

Maybe not a big deal if you only use it for entertainment, but keep in mind that they will have access to your entire Google account (so your Gmails and docs and wallet and such).

It might be worth making a throwaway Google account just for the tablet. You can add it to your Google family and still share paid apps with it.


*I think ALL the tablets are Chinese, or sometimes Korean, now. It’s the no-name part that matters, as in there’s not a big company spending labor on post-sales maintenance and security updates.

I mean, there are other launchers out there for download, but my biggest concern about launchers/skins is that they have that little bit of always on additional overhead which is more of a concern on lower performance or older tablets. I don’t personally like the appearance of some (Samsung and Lenovo aren’t bad, my old OnePlus is noticeably worse), but it’s not a big deal. And especially if you’re already using Samsung products, it would look more normal to you for that matter. I rather intensely dislike the interface on the Fire, but I get that the tablets there are sold at-or-near cost, or possibly noticeably less on the steep sales. The tablet is a way to get you more hooked into Amazon’s system, and sell you Prime (+ Prime Unlimited Music, +Prime Ad-Free video, + downloads of music, movies, and kindle) so … yeah.

The bloatware question has been answered well–I personally just uninstall what I can and force stop/disable as much more than that. Most of those apps go unused, don’t take up all that much space and Android puts apps to sleep that don’t get used much so I don’t worry about it much.

I like sticking a hefty SD card into a tablet to allow for plenty of data storage. I don’t use my tablet for much of anything aside from being a book so a good reading app is crucial for me–I use Lithium but am considering switching over to ReadEra after having set up my mom’s tablet with it. It has very robust cataloguing features and the text to speech is seamless, not that I need it myself for that but it sure makes a big difference when trying to accustom an 88 year old stroke victim who’s a complete tablet novice to using a different method of reading access.

To me tablets are less a relationship thing than a friends with benefits sort of thing so I don’t sweat the details much. This is my third or fourth tablet, I use them until they can’t be updated any longer or the screen gets busted then get another one. They save me so much money not buying paper books and trying to find a place to put them all that I consider a new tablet purchase every five years or so to be perfectly acceptable.

My one huge objection to the Appleverse is how they make it nearly impossible to add and manage data without involving their hugely invasive and snoopy AF intermediary software. Android tablet loading books or music–USB cord to laptop, give permission for laptop to access the Android device, drag and drop data into applicable file locations. Try THAT on an Apple product–I tried it precisely once with an iPod and ended up just doing a data dump onto the device of the music in question then sending it over to my SIL to install all the BS on it and jump through all the hoops. No WAY was I gonna install the Apple snoopware on my laptop JUST so I can dump some of my music onto a device I was helping to fill as a favor to a third party. Just…no. Apple does not get to catalogue every file on my computer, especially since I don’t even USE their products!

I agree with all of that. I just use my tablet for that one piece of music software, check email, and do some web surfing, so I never have to load any files onto it. So, it would be fine for doing crosswords, either on the web or in an app, watch movies on various apps, but if you want to load your own music or books, I imagine it’s a pain.

If the OPs use case includes loading up files, I would probably recommend against anything Apple. But, for most other use cases, the iPad will probably be smoother and last longer than a super-cheap Android tablet. Mine is a Gen 10, and it’s still getting updates, and was heavily discounted.

I was looking at some Samsungs at Best Buy (for look and feel purposes) and at least some of them are made in Vietnam, for what that’s worth.

I don’t know much about that. I once installed iTunes on my Windows PC because I was making music files out of a bunch of CDs that I didn’t want to deal with any more, and it was all I could find at the time to do the job. I found it a very demanding piece of software to use. I then bought a small iPod to hold all the music files, and wiped iTunes off my PC. That was a couple of PCs ago. To its credit, the iPod is still working.

I am/was a longtime iTunes user, back to when I got my first iPod (2nd generation of the OG white brick). At the time it was released, it was revolutionary. By the time that iPhones became a juggernaut, it was already outdated and buggy. And they haven’t supported it in years, having worked very hard (along with the rest of the industry) to push users away from non-digital, not streaming options.

Yes I’m bitter.

As I mentioned as a general complaint upthread, so much of the smartphone/tablet industry is about pushing you ever deeper into one specific path where you are so heavily invested in that line of products you can’t leave isn’t unique to Amazon.

-le sigh-

I’m bitter, too. :angry:

I’m very happy with my decision to buy CDs and rip them on itunes.

I wish it were as easy to do with books.

Oh god yes. I have hundreds of ebooks, and love the variety it allows me, especially when travelling. But I’m way past double stacking on my shelves (many) so I buy few books in dead-tree format anymore because I have nowhere to put them!

And don’t get me wrong, when possible I too still buy DVDs and CDs and then rip them for ease of use/storage across my tablets, phones, and computers. As I said, when iTunes was new, it was a revolution. I kept using it well after I switched to an only Windows environment (when I first got it, I was using Macs in dual-boot mode, Windows for gaming and MacOS for everythying else), but Apple didn’t do a very good job of maintaining or updating it past the first couple of years. And their authentication has always been really buggy for me (probably because I have a legacy account).

See, i don’t need to authenticate, because i ripped all my own. No DRM.

But bad experiences with the half dozen tracks i bought online, and my friends’ experiences are why i don’t like to buy ebooks with DRM. I’ll borrow them from the library (because it’s expected behavior for library books to go away) but i pretty much only buy ebooks of i can find them DRM-free. Which means there are only a couple of publishers i can buy from. Which is why i can’t buy the latest books from Bujold. :cry: I can get her older books on paper, though.

I pulled the trigger today. I went to Best Buy, and their price on the Samsung Tab A9+ 11” with 128 GB storage matched Amazon’s price, and I liked the size and feel, so I bought it. I mean they had a bin of them there in their cute little boxes, how could I resist?

Caution, for anyone buying on impulse, some things are not included, such as the wall charger (the cable is in the box, but not the wall plug) and a microSD card (not sure what that is for? I started it up without, and there was no problem. If it’s just storage I don’t need it). I’ve been going through and deleting apps I don’t want, but there really aren’t that many that allow me to do so. Well, same old same old.

So, my inner debate is over. I started doing something I should have been doing for years now: I made a label with purchase date and cost to put on the back. That way, in 2 or 8 years when I want to know how old the thing is, I can just look at the label.

I appreciate all the advice, even that advice which I didn’t follow. I’m sure this middle of the road boring choice will suit me fine.