Cheerfully noted, and I apologize to both you and the poster I referenced above for forgetting the forum - I could have sworn the thread was in the BBQ Pit, or I would never have posted what I did. In fact when I looked for responses to this thread I looked in the BBQ Pit and didn’t see the thread, so I assumed it joined the long list of threads in the Moderator forum.
It did start out in the Pit and was moved to ATMB.
This is the major cause of closing such threads in what some see as a premature manner.
Someone makes a complaint re a staff action/procedure, other people comment in the thread, and before too long at least a couple of people are on their way to Fist City. This derails the original intent of the thread and we wind up closing it and advising the combatants to take their fight elsewhere.
Hopefully now that people are more aware of the situation on all sides we’ll have less of that sort of ending and better outcomes.
If you have a problem with another poster – or develop a problem with another poster in the course of pursuing other situations here on the board – calling them out in ATMB is not the way to go.
Tomndebb doesn’t even respond to complaint threads in ATMB. Basically they are simply ignored.
**Liberal’s **pitting of Tomndebb is typical. In his attempts to calm people down (often after they’ve calmed down as Liberal points out) he takes a parting shot at whichever side he disagrees with and just fans the flames.
Except for the one mentioned in the OP. And at least three others if you do a title search for “tomndebb” for the past year–including one thread you started.
I agree. In fact, C K Dexter Haven sez “In short, we don’t see that name-calling and personal insults in any way promote discussion of moderator action.” and I think we can just cut off those last two words. How does name-calling and personal insults promote anything good?
Sure, we need a place to bitch and moan, and flame celebrities and politos, that’s fine. I cant see why name-calling and personal insults should be allowed at all, to and by anyone.
This thread did not start out in the Pit.
You misunderstand. The thread that started out in the Pit was Liberal’s pitting of tomndebb.
But that’s part of the problem with having these types of threads in ATMB. I’m not talking about going to fist city or being insulting, but if complaints about the moderators go in ATMB, and complaints about regular posts go in the Pit, then where do you go to complain about posters complaints about mods?
I realize I’m not being entirely clear, so here’s a scenario to clarify.
In the old days, somebody could open a thread in the Pit saying, “TubaDiva is being an unfair moderator and a jerk because she closed my thread about how all dogs go to heaven and warned me not to start any more threads about it.”. Then if another poster thinks that the pit starter’s complaint is unwarranted, they could answer, “You’ve posted 100 threads in the past week about canine afterlives, so Tuba did the right thing here. You need to get over your fixation with dead dogs because it’s creeping people out”. Except there’d probably be more obscenity by both posters because it’s the Pit and posters, for some reason, feel it’s obligatory.
Nowadays, somebody opens a thread in ATMB “TubaDiva is being an unfair moderator and a jerk because she closed my thread about how all dogs go to heaven and warned me not to start any more threads about it.”, and then what can poster number 2 do? He can start a thread in the Pit pitting the guy’s complaint, of course, but that seems overly formal and time consuming. Starting a new thread is a much more serious undertaking than just responding to an existing one, and of course he’ll have to link back to the ATMB thread and all.
It was my understanding that what he can’t do is post the response I mentioned above in the ATMB thread, because it would be a violation of the rules.
I don’t see that that would be a violation of the rules, since you are criticizing the poster’s behavior as it relates to the moderator action. As long as you are not making direct insults against the poster as a person, but instead are criticizing their behavior, it should be within ATMB guidelines.
I am aware that Lib’s original thread started in the Pit, but **Una **was stating that she thought this thread (the one she posted in) started in the Pit.
Correct. I would not knowingly have posted what I did if I had not been mistaken about the forum. Hence I accepted responsibility and apologized above.
Sorry. I see it now. Apology.
Except the thread that this thread is about (Liberal’s pitting of Tommndeb’s action) got closed, and that’s really what it was. There weren’t any direct insults after it had gotten moved to ATMB, hajaro’s post aside, which he had posted just after the move and before he realized it was in ATMB. There was a debate over the appropriateness of the thread, and it was dismissed as “squabbling” and closed.
Which is why they have said they intend to be more willing to let such a thread continue now.
And if the problem is a Pitting of a mod as a poster, not their actions as a moderator?
Allowed in the Pit.
That’s not inconsistent with what I said. Threads may be closed if they are considered to have gone off track, even if none of the posters involved may be violating rules.
Exactly. So the thread happens here and we skip the obscenity. I’m not seeing a problem.
Oh, so that’s what that was.
I’ve been racking my brain to try to figure out how the quoted text could be considered trolling, or in any way a violation of any rules, (even the ones he made up himself for me specifically in that thread)