I have already seen a theory saying that the Joker isnt really the òriginalJoker but rather a post Red Hood Jason Tood.
The idea was that it helps explain the graffited Robin suit and the newspaper clippings Bruce gets.
I liked John Ostrander when he wrote Grimjack, but didn’t follow him to his DC titles, so I’m not familiar with Suicide Squad. When I saw the promo pic, the first thing I thought was it’s going to be Will Smith as Arrow plus a bunch of costars he’ll preside over, because it will be a Will Smith movie. He doesn’t strike me as a supporting actor. He usually wants to rule the movie, much like the way Sean Connery exerted his will over League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and making it a world of suck.
Warner Brothers owns DC, so they call the shots for the moviemaking process. Not so Marvel, which is why their movies are usually better. I’m thinking it was WB’s idea to put a big star in SS for drawing power, and that just automatically means the movie will suck. They’ll concentrate more on CGI and making sure Will Smith looks good, and not so much on the story or character development. The Joker is pure spectacle and little substance. They’re counting on his face selling movie toys, and Christmas is just 6 months away.
So, that’s my own prescribed set of prejudices based on history. Maybe I’m totally wrong and the movie will make Avengers look like Plan Nine From Outer Space, but I’ll wait for the dollar theatre showing.
I assume most people don’t really care and are just saying his makeup looks stupid much as many people think that a Juggalo’s makeup looks stupid. It’s not as though anyone will see a picture of a Juggalo and change their mind about whether or not the Joker costume/makeup looks good. Sort of a weird hill to fight for.
Those are what I was talking about. 
I’m definitely more of a Secret Six fan as far as ridiculous villains go.
You might want to check out his Specter run. It’s (IMO) without a doubt, the best run of Specter, ever, in the character’s 70-some year history.
Also, I don’t think I’ve ever heard the term “jugaloo” before this thread, but the Joker’s look in this movie still sucks, jugaloo or not. He’s supposed to be creepy/scary, not emo-goth-douche.
Half the Joker’s problem in this trailer is that he doesn’t have a cool tag line. “Why so serious?”, in context, was awesome. “I’m just gonna…blah, blah, blah” doesn’t work nearly as well.
Thing is, I think if he had a better line in the movie, they would have used it in the trailer.
BTW, I heard that Slipknot’s in this movie. Slipknot? A guy whose power is having a lariat? (And IIRC was a Firestorm villain, of all people.)
*Somebody *has to have their head blown off in the first act, just so we know the stakes.
ICP ? I take it you’re not aware of who Marylin Manson is :).
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2)Putting Joker on the team kind of overshadows everyone else since he’s the only really well-known one (it’s like having a community theater invite Meryl Streep to act with them. She’s gonna blow them all away.), and if you’re building a supervillain team, why choose a guy who is the opposite of a team player?
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They’re supervillains. None of them are team players, sort of by definition.
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BTW, I heard that Slipknot’s in this movie. Slipknot? A guy whose power is having a lariat? (And IIRC was a Firestorm villain, of all people.)
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Nono, they mean the metal band. And hey, they already look like a bunch of henchmen for a supervillain, so extra savings there ! 
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True. I’m thinking of something like
the bit in Assault on Arkham where KGBeast decides to just walk out because he thinks that Amanda Waller is bluffing about the implanted bombs. Cleanup and Darwin Award presentation on Aisle One…
Slipknot and/or El Diablo are goners, I’d imagine. The other characters are at least C-list and so relatively safe.
So it’s going to be a period piece, set in 1997 and featuring a bunch of total fucking Wallet Chains? Ooh, I hope there’s a cameo by Fred Durst.
Correct. At least in the comics he is not. He is often tangentially involved because of Harley Quinn but always as an antagonist.
Thanks. I’ve seen (and enjoyed) the larger film and had forgotten about the shorts.
Slipknot was in the comic. Not for long. IIRC, he tried to escape, got his arm blown off, and got dragged back in by Duchess, and that was how Duchess joined the Squad.
New Trailer on io9: The New Suicide Squad Trailer Is Insane In Every Way Imaginable
I am not a DC person, and have found the tone of the DCU movies to not work well, and the Dawn of Justice movie appears to maintain that.
This looks like mindless fun, in a good way. The use of Queen’s Bohemian Rhapsody is very well done.
My wife and I had free tickets for the movie and Suicide Squad was… not great. Not horrible and it was more fun than, say, any Fantastic Four movie but it was disjointed and overstuffed. Margot Robbie was easily the best part of the movie and Will Smith second but they couldn’t carry the whole thing. Sword Girl was completely useless and you’d never miss her if she was gone. Boomerang Guy and Captain Crocodile had one or two decent lines or gags but were otherwise sidelined. The military guy was just flat and you never really cared about him or his tortured romance with the Sorceress. Diablo was pretty good.
Sorry folks, but Jared Leto’s Joker was shit. Any time anyone criticized him from the stills or trailers it was all “Oh, you need to wait until you SEE the movie! Everyone though Heath Ledger would suck and he was so great!” – Yeah, well, I’ve seen the movie and this ain’t no Heath Ledger’s Joker. Just completely unconvincing as either a maniacal genius or a terrifying psychopath. It wasn’t just the dumb tattoos or grill or whatever, he just wasn’t acting the part well.
As I said, the story felt disjointed and took a long time to gel into anything semi-coherent. I’d heard rumors that originally all the laugh lines were in the trailer and they went back and re-shot more humor into the film because people responded well to it. I don’t know if that’s true or not but I could believe it because the mood felt uneven like that. And not even like “Here’s a serious scene that someone disrupts with a funny line and you laugh because of the broken tension” but just “Here’s two serious scenes that we plugged a couple laugh lines between”. Anyway, the film overall just didn’t work as much of a buddy flick (only Robbie & Smith had any buddy chemistry), wasn’t anything exceptional in the world of action flicks and the Bad Guy/Girl was practically a McGuffin just to have the team together. It’s not a totally worthless movie and Robbie/Smith will probably make you chuckle a few times but you can definitely wait for the home version or discount theater showing.
So I saw “Suicide Squad” today…
A few weeks ago I saw the new “Ghostbusters” and while viewing it I thought to myself, this unfunny mess is one of the worst edited films I’ve ever seen in over 40 years of film going! Well, today I saw a very close contender. There’s a point, about halfway through I thought…… what the hell is going on??? And I READ this complete series and know these characters (and it’s my third favorite DC comic series of all time). There are a couple nice bits, a building is called the “John Ostrander Federal Building” (Ostrander wrote the 1980’s series) and there’s a scene between Captain Boomerang and Slipknot that kind of recreates my all time favorite scene from the 1980 series. But you may not notice it because the film is so damn NOISY and UNCLEAR. Besides the shoddy editing this is one of the first soundtracks I’ve heard that hates the movie it’s in so much, that it steps on nearly every line and vies for your attention like a bratty kid in the next booth at a diner.
I’ve always felt that Suicide Squad would make for a GREAT TV series, where you could focus on characters, allow actors to act and create suspense, thrills and fun.
Which, this movie doesn’t.
It’s getting 26% at Rotten Tomatoes.
And they call the Joker a psychopath.
Jared Leto’s joker was unconvincing. Yes, it’s unfortunate that actors have to sit in the shadow of their predecessors when they play established characters, but all I could think was that he was doing poor impersonations of Heath Ledger’s/Jack Nicholson’s acting and Mark Hamill’s laugh.
Parts of the movie were great, but they couldn’t stand up to the poor pacing, awful lines (“So what are we? Some kind of… SUICIDE SQUAD?”), and boring villains.