Summer tires (need answer before Friday's snowstorm)

Yeh, the Nokian WRG3 is one hell of a highway winter tire (as opposed to a full-blown snow tire) marketed as an all-weather tire. It can easily handle most people’s winter driving needs. I wouldn’t expect it to last as long as an all-season (three-season) tire, but for folks who only want one set, it’s the way to go.

Nokian isn’t particularly well known in the USA, but when it comes to winter tires, it’s extremely well reputed. Have a boo at how one of Michigan’s winter tire retailers compares the leading winter tires – #1 Nokian Hakkapellitta R2 snow tire, and #2 Nokian WR G3 all-weather tire. http://www.marathonauto.com/tires/snow-tire-ratings-reviews.html

They’re another Nokian invention. Been around a few years. I have heard second-hand from a mechanic who has installed some of the Nokian version that they perform decently but the summer wear rate is higher than advertised. I rotate winter and A/S sets, myself.

The OP wanted to hear actual personal experience with using RE050A or similar in cold/winter weather.

I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles using various high performance summer tires in mild (generally dry) winter weather and never had any problem. Temperatures were often below 40F but rarely below 20F and probably never below 10F. I generally never drive in snow on these but have driven in 1/2 inch of slushy snow in 32F for short distances without major problem.

My tires have included Michelin Pilot Sport, Pilot Sport PS2, Pilot Super Sport, Continental ContiSportContact, ContiSportContact 2, Bridgestone RE050A and RE-01R.

I would generally recommend great caution when driving summer tires in cold weather and would personally never do it on ice, generally not in temps below 20F.

However some of the previous statements have blurred the actual issue and differences between types of “high performance” summer tires. Some of the statements by Consumer Reports are misleading or flat out wrong.

E.g, they lump together all the recommendations using a single term, “Ultra High Performance Summer Tires”. In fact there are many levels and gradations – each with their own characteristics.

CR says these “Ultra High Performance Summer Tires” use a racing compound, are OK only for temperate areas or the race track, and have no practicality beyond that. This is an over exaggeration and gross oversimplification.

Among summer tires, there are ultra high performance, max performance, extreme performance and DOT racing tires. These are all different categories and have different characteristics. Michelin does advise not using or moving a vehicle having Pilot Super Sport Cup 2 tires in temps below 20F. Likewise TireRack says this about any “Track & Competition DOT Tires”. But those are very different from ultra high or max performance tires.

The GM bulletin mentions several tires including the regular Pilot Super Sport and says do not drive or even move the car below 20F. They lump all high, ultra high, max, extreme and DOT racing tires into the same category having exactly the same operational limitations re ambient temperature.

My guess is GM wanted a simplified bulletin making a blanket warning about any conceivable variation of a summer tire that might possibly have problems in cold weather.

Likewise the CR article says don’t use summer tires in cold temps at all, and in the same paragraph they state 40F. As worded, many will interpret that to mean anything below 40F is highly dangerous on any type of summer tire.

I have personally talked to Michelin and Continental representatives about this, and their advice was much less categorical. For ultra high and max performance summer tires they said they are generally OK down to 32F in dry conditions but as ambient and road temperatures fall, grip will degrade. I think most people know that, it’s just common sense.

There will be variation from one tire to another. I personally would be very cautious about driving in 30F temps with an extreme track-oriented performance tire like the Bridgestone RE-01R or RE-11. With a more general-purpose performance tire like the Pilot Sport 3, I would be less concerned about this but not cavalier.

For performance enthusiasts living in transition regions where there is seldom much ice/snow but winter temps can occasionally reach (20-30F) there is another possible option besides dedicated winter tires. There are ultra high performance all-season tires like the Michelin Sport A/S 3. I did not like the original A/S but supposedly the A/S 3 has been greatly improved.

Concerning specifically the RE50A I’ve driven it back-to-back with other max performance summer tires on the same car and I generally didn’t like it. It was quiet and smooth, but turn in, ultimate grip and predictability were less than top-rated summer tires. In general my impression was similar to how it’s ranked among similar tires on TireRack:

Traffic backed up today on the main drag of town because some silly sod couldn’t make it up the hill. Some folks just don’t learn.

I don’t know about that. I somehow got out of the habit of having winter tires when I got a new car some 20 years ago, and then decided to get back into the winter tire rotation two years ago.

It’s a bit trickier driving, but it can be done. My temperature range normally goes down to at least a couple of days of -35C per winter, with snow and ice, but not this year.

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Traffic backed up today on the main drag of town because some silly sod couldn’t make it up the hill. Some folks just don’t learn.
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Ah, you see the concept of a “hill” is not a problem for me around here. :smiley:

As far as hills go, it’s not much of one. Even the flats were too much for one person – went off the road near the end of my street and down into a deep ditch. The road that is my alternate route home was closed. Sometimes I think that snow is a creative tool for the stupid.

Wow, maybe they are not.

You are talking about all-seasons, and he is talking about actual summer tires. Different animals.

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Just reviving a zombie to see if CookingWithGas survived the January '16 blizzard in DC.
Since everyone from three years ago thought it impossible to navigate roads with summer tires… I thought I’d ask.

The Hakkpelitta’s are good. Couldn’t find the size for my last car a Pathfinder, and went to Bridgestone Blizzaks. Which are my Wife and my choice now. She has a new Subaru Ascent. Switched her crap all seasons out after 4000 miles. We where planning on doing that, but came home from a road trip to 8 inches of snow, and had to hike up the driveway. No fault of the Subaru.

I just bought a 2019 4Runner. It came with Bridgeston H/T Duelers. Eh, they are nicely sipped for snow. And do well on the road ice and snow. Actually surprisingly well for an ‘all season’ tire. The 4Runner does have a locking rear differential, so I’m getting home ok. I’ll by Blizzaks for next winter though.

I bought Yokohama A/S tires shortly after I started this thread and have never driven the summer tires in temperatures below 40°F or in snowy conditions, so I can’t tell you if the summer tires are stable in those conditions.

As I recall you said you have been very successful riding on summer tires in the winter. There had been some question as to whether you actually have summer tires, which was never factually resolved.

I think I mentioned this, but I called Bridgestone and talked with one of their folks who told me that it is not safe to use my summer tires on snow, and said they should not even be used below 40°F.

For a couple of years I swapped the tires back and forth when the seasons changed and I realized that I was going to pay more for that than a new set of tires would cost so in December I took off the summer tires for the last time. (I did not want to spring for a second set of wheels either, which also would have cost more than a set of tires, so the tires had be unmounted and remounted each time.)

Yeah. We get real snow and ice 6 months out of the year. I’ve seen it snow in every month actually. Snow on the 4th of July is… interesting. Summer is August 3rd :smiley:

I plowed Friday, and again Saturday. March is our heaviest snow month, so while we are getting more sun, winter isn’t over. Not at all.

I don’t bother swapping out the snow tires. Really no point in it.