While various religions do require that a couple be open to having children, that’s not actually the same thing as being capable of having children. Under church law (of the Catholic church and I imagine also of the Anglican), it’s perfectly acceptable for (say) a 60-year-old single woman to wed. It’s certainly not expected that she would become pregnant, but if it were miraculously to happen, the Church would expect that she would accept the child.
But if we can posit a miraculous child born to an (apparently) post-menopausal woman, then why not also posit a miraculous child born to a same-sex couple? If a same-sex couple would be welcoming to such a miraculous child, then that particular objection evaporates.
Fair point. One might make the argument, from a Christian viewpoint, that (male) gay married couples often practice certain sexual behaviours that (many) Christians historically frowned on. I’m not going to make that argument though, because 1) not all gay men practice that sexual act, in fact many don’t, 2) some hetero couples do, and 3) marriage and sex are two different things- some marriages are entirely sexless- so disapproval of a particular sex act doesn’t have anything to do with marriage, per se.
How do you square that with your recent assertion about willingness to have children (which non-PIV sex acts don’t conduce to) being the fundamental reason for marriage?
People have already worked your other points over with a hacksaw, so I’ll just address a few here:
Their parents traded them off for money to their husbands. If that ain’t property, I dunno what is.
No. No, I’m sorry, I won’t pardon that, because that view is monstrous and I cannot for the life of me see how anyone living in the 21st century could hold it. It’s akin to you saying “You’ll of course pardon me if I don’t view the end of slavery as a good thing”. No, I won’t pardon you; your opinion has no place in a modern society. We’ve gone from women being subservient to women being equals. This is such a huge step forward that denying its value is akin to denying the value of virtually any other significant civil rights achievement, from the end of miscegenation laws to the end of sodomy laws. And it becomes exceedingly hard to take anything you have to say seriously. The fact that you’d just casually say something that misogynistic makes me think you really don’t even understand how bad it is.
Well, then, we’re right back to “it’s OK if the couple would welcome the child if one miraculously came along anyway”. I’m presuming that there’s no Christian sect out there that categorically rejects the notion that it’s possible for a woman to miraculously become pregnant without benefit of sexual intercourse…
You contradict yourself. The breakdown of authoritarianism and the rise of liberty is a good thing, recognized as such by all who have outgrown juvenile fantasies of themselves as perfect creatures owning the common herd as slaves.
Nah… it’s just becoming a wedge pointing the other way, as the Republicans who actually want to win elections try (and fail) to shush the Talibornagains.
Justice Kennedy has stayed the 9th Circuit ruling, so we"re back to 25 states. The way things are hopping this week, that number could change again by the weekend, maybe several times.
This is pretty odd, given Monday’s rulings. The only thing I can think of is that Kennedy is interested in the Ninth’s Circuit’s holding that homosexuals are a protected class. If they grant cert on that issue and uphold it, that’s arguably an even bigger result than the same-sex marriage thing.
This may come as a surprise to you, but some women weren’t okay with being followers and subordinates. We no longer live in the days when women went from their fathers’ home to their husbands’ home. We haven’t for some time. Women can own property and vote now and no longer must depend on men for economic security. By your standard, single women today would essentially lose when they marry.
Damn uppity women, they should go back to kotowing to male authority and quit worrying their pretty little heads about what they desire out of life. Amiright?
This may be hard for you to imagine, but some women, after living independently from their parents, perhaps even achieving an education and a career, may find your authoritative view of marriage completely unappealing.
