Surgery went fine...recovery care was a joke

Well, Ivylad had the morphine pump implanted on Wednesday. The surgery went well, but since it was so late in the afternoon they wanted to keep him overnight for observation, to make sure he came out of the anesthesia okay.

What happened after they wheeled him to the room was surreal.

I meet the nurse just as they’re taking him up, so I follow with his suitcase, my water jug and purse, keys, cell phone and knitting bag.

He got the bed by the window, so I dropped my burden on the couch and helped him get settled.

There was already another guy in the room, and I got a weird vibe from him right off. There’s also a nurse’s aide sitting in a chair right outside the room. Just sitting there.

Ivylad is feeling well, and wants me to go get Chik Fil A for him for dinner. We offer Other Hospital Guy a sandwich, and he thanks us at first, saying he couldn’t eat fried foods, but then said, “What the hell.”

I grab purse, water jug, knitting bag, and cell phone and head to the car. I got lost trying to get from floor 5 to where the car was parked.

I drive to Chik-Fil-A, order a Caesar Wrap pita for me, a combo meal for Ivylad, and a chargrilled sandwich for OHP because he’s concerned about fried food. That plus two root beers and a sweet tea in a carrier.

I leave water jug and knitting bag in the car, and go to the elevator to return to the 5th floor, heavy Chik-Fil-A bag and drink carrier in hand with purse and cell phone.

It’s after the door closes on the elevator that I realize that the South Elevators only go up to the 4th floor. I wearily exit the elevator, and wander around the maze before I find the North Elevators. A few wrong turns later and I finally get back to Ivylad’s room.

They’ve already served dinner, but he eats his combo meal and some of his hospital dinner. My Caesar wrap pita had no dressing and was rather dry. OHP appreciated the char-grilled sandwich. The waffle fries were undercooked.

After dinner, Ivylad walks around the floor twice, with me rolling his IV, and then he pees. Apparently, they’re very concerned that you pee after surgery, so I made him announce to the nurses at the nurse’s station that he was going to pee. They seemed pleased with the news.

He’s tired after that, so I get him settled in bed, kiss him goodbye, and go home.

I get him from the hospital the next day, and the Rest of the Story comes out.

Around 3am, the police come to arrest OHP. It seems he’s a homeless guy who was wanting to be Baker Acted so he could stay in the hospital for three days, getting free room and board. He seemed most upset that the police were coming, since by his calculations he had another 3 hours and 15 minutes before his 72 hours was up.

Ivylad’s next roomie was a 90-year-old man who was altered and incontinent. He’s fighting the nurses and yelling for his wife and his candy. The nurses tell him he has no candy, at which Ivylad struggles out of bed, rolls the IV with him, and pulls out the old man’s M&M’s from the nightstand and gives them to him. Later 90YOM soils himself, so Ivylad once again hauls himself out of bed, IV in tow, and goes to the nurse’s station to ask the nurses to clean him up since he’s rather odorous.

The nurses start arguing in front of Ivylad about who’s going to clean up 90YOM. It takes them an hour and a half before they get around to it.

During the night, Ivylad’s blood pressure is taken. The cuff is so tight it leaves bruises on his upper arm and forces his hand into a fist. Despite the fact that the reading is 198/112, they insist the machine is working correctly.

The next morning, Ivylad is released. The doctor has not come to see him. The nurse asks him if he’s ready to leave, at which point Ivylad says the IV is still in his arm. The nurse disappears and returns with gauze, and has Ivylad remove his own IV. No instructions are given to incision care or when to change the bandages. The nurses shrug and say to ask his pain doctor. His pain doctor, by the way, did not perform the surgery.

I know that not all hospitals operate this way. Perhaps it was the full moon.

What?!?

Sorry, but that is absolutely unacceptable. Please call a patients advocate (or a lawyer).

Sad and shocking.

That’s outrageous! Removing his OWN IV???

Definitely, you need to contact the the hospital CEO immediately, and probably a lawyer as well. Sounds like serious neglect and failure of proper medical care to me!!

The nurses at his pain doctor’s office were similarly shocked. Ivylad is going to write a letter to the hospital. We don’t think a lawyer is necessary, but he has requested that I not take him to that hospital in case of emergency.

OK have to ask…

How’s the IV entry now? Is it still leaking? Did you get a good bandage for it? Use iodine?

Sorry - glad he’s out and everything went OK. But you really have to report these nurses to the hospital. They were more concerned about getting the bed ready for the next patient than they were concerned about ivylad. Just think about the next patient they get, who might not be able to complain.

Good lord! That is freaking appalling!

I spent a week in a hospital here end of May. I thought it was a pretty decently run place. Compared with ilad’s experience, it was a luxury hotel. I had no idea how lucky I’d been.

The IV wound is fine. I don’t know if they put iodine on it, but they did put the gauze and tape on it for him.

Oh, I also found out yesterday that after the nurse took the blood pressure that left the bruise, she decided to take it on the other arm.

The one with the IV in it.

Oh wow… I hope I never end up in that hospital!

Took the BP with the IV in that arm?! And left bruises on the other with a blood pressure cuff?! And made him take out his own IV. I do understand why he wouldn’t want to go there in case of emergency.

And I had nothing but glowing things to say about the hospital I was in when I had my daughter (via C section) … I was so happy that I badgered my PCP for referrals so I could return with baby 2.

Good grief. You MUST contact patient’s advocacy AND a lawyer on this one. You must.

I know it’s Florida and all, but even FLORIDA nurses shouldn’t have THAT little work ethic.

Me? I’d take out a full page ad in the biggest newspaper in the area and spew this story to the world - bet you’d get some action from the hospital administration then.

That’s goddamn terrifying.

As well as being utterly appalling as far as professionalism and patient safety goes. That’s NUTS. Removing his own IV? What the hell kind of zoo of a hospital WAS this? And what kind of a nurse can’t handle simple blood pressure checks?

I was an orderly for a couple years… I was the guy the nurse on duty would have told to go and clean up the OHP poop, in fact… and they even taught ME how to take blood pressure. It isn’t hard. It IS kind of hard, in fact, to screw it up so bad you actually bruise the frickin’ patient.

It was drilled into my skull that you do NOT act like a human in front of patients. You are a smooth, trained professional. If you have a beef with a nurse or orderly or doctor, you take it up in the staff lounge, NOT where patients or their families can see you! This could have got someone fired from the place I worked.

…and allowing a patient to take his own IV out? Man, this would have been tatamount to allowing him to administer his own anaesthetic, or write his own prescription. No, it’s far from being the same thing, but it’s all part of the same PROCESS.

Sing your story from the rooftops, and then make a point of avoiding this hospital like the plague, in the future. Sounds like they kill people there…

Now you know where the nursing school failures get a job at

This is just disgusting!

It is very wrong for a patient to remove his own IV - for many reasons. He never should have left the hospital without seeing the doctor first for wound care and pain control.

Taking a BP from an arm with an IV can do damage. What a twit!

I am so sorry ivylad received such shite hospital care.

Poor lad.

What I find disturbing is that they did not contact the MD on call if they had obtained a BP of 198/112. This BP is (in formal medical terms :slight_smile: ) not a good thing. It was probably not a correct measurement but they should have repeated it (with a manual cuff if possible) and called someone to come see him.

We just got through having a bad experience with care when my grandmother had surgery about a week ago for a broken hip. On the second or so day after surgery, the nurses had placed her on the bedpan and my mom left the room to give her some privacy. After about 20 mins., my mom noticed the call light was on and she checked on my grandmother who said that she had been calling the nurses for ten minutes for help. My mom goes to the nurses station where they tell her that my grandmother will have to wait to be taken off the bedpan as her nurse is on break. My mom couldn’t lift my grandmother herself, especially with all the stuff attached to her hip. After another ten minutes of my mom complaining, someone helped her but wasn’t so gentle in doing so.

Bad care is inexcusable.

Sadly, I think they do. We all know FL is not the brightest state in the bunch. I’ve been living in FL for 5 years, and hope I never have to go to the hospital for anything other than giving birth. Hospital care down here SCARES me.

Let’s not paint all Florida hospitals with the same broad brush. I’ve had 2 major abdominal surgeries and several minor procedures in 2 hospitals in the Jacksonville area. The care was excellent and recovery was very quick. My father-in-law just had 5 bypasses done in an Ocala hospital - again, excellent care and he was home 4 days later.

It’s like any other consumer product - ya gotta do your homework.

I agree with FCM. I would not have any major procedure done in the hospital in my home town, but the next city up the road has a very good hospital. And yes, I live in Florida.

My one experience in a civilian hospital was pretty good (aside from my bad reaction the anesthetic) – my dad was Air Force, so until my mid-teens all my medical care was through them, and I hadn’t been in a hospital since I was a kid – and this sounds just AWFUL. I would DEFINITELY talk to a lawyer.

And while yes, some hospitals are better than others, this one sounds like it has major problems.

Sorry, but I do. What is going to happen to the next person who receives such substandard care? God forbid, what if they cause someone’s death?

You are the only ones who can bring action on this series of incidents, please do! As a parent, I am begging you- I will be in FLorida with my kids this fall, and I would be so frightened if something happened and I ended up at that facility!

Argh - what a nightmare!!! (and not reassuring, as my FIL is undergoing surgery, in a hospital in Florida, today…).

I had a nightmarish childbirth experience 9 years ago and actually wrote a nastygram to the head of obstetrics - and got a reply and some assurances that the staff would be educated about one issue. No response to my comments about the anesthesiologist saying “If I stopped every time a woman had a contraction, I’d never get finished”. Have heard many horror stories about that hospital since then so I gather I got off lightly (neither baby nor I came all that close to dying unlike at least 3 other cases I know of).

Anyway, definitely complain to whomever you can, like maybe whatever state agencies license hospitals. Sounds like ivylad hasn’t actually experienced any injury as a result of their care… or lack thereof so a lawyer prolly isnt called for.

How can one tell ahead of time if a hospital is a death trap or not? Is there some kind of message board or feedback center on the 'net?

And I agree you should take this up with hospital brass, ivylass. Those nurses are going to end up killing someone.