The problem is that the one thing that unites them is their hatred for Democrats.
I predict that will overcome whatever issues they have with MAGA come November.
Yeah, I fear for too many of them Trump isn’t sufficiently Hitler.
@Tatterdemalion These guys aren’t deep-thinking, committed party ideologues.
They’ll probably go wherever the conversation is hot and the beer is cold.
As will I, but it won’t prevent me from voting. And it won’t prevent them from voting either.
Substitute “the next iteration of know-nothing Fascism” and you can see that that’s an ideology with staying power long after trump is gone.
I think there’s a substantial number of people in any age who believe Fascism will work out great where they or at least, people just like them will be in charge, and those who are other will be defeated. That because they are one of the volk, that the rising tide will carry them as well. It almost all cases, it proves wrong, the low stay low, the ones directing the tide benefit (possibly for quite some time!), and the scapegoats get ground under.
I agree @Tatterdemalion - the impulse voters, or the ones that think there’s going to be some sort of positive change from the outsider that figured in Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0 aren’t going to be motivated to vote (D) all of a sudden (unless an amazingly popular candidate arises), but the hope is that they won’t be motivated to turn out for whomever comes out of the MAGA swamp in 2028. Assuming that vaguely free and normal elections are on the table that is.
They will continue to vote for shitty candidates, because their methods for choosing candidates are fundamentally shitty. They’re only turning on Trump now because he’s specifically screwing up his “No new wars” promise, which these idiots all believed. When looking for a new Dear Leader to follow, they’ll make all the same mistakes they made that led them to voting for Trump in the first place.
Trumpism is the new normal. It’s what America will be all about, at least until the resulting mismanagement causes a general collapse.
I just mean that he’d better be long dead before there’s the remotest possibility of trump 3.0.
Huh? If he fatally choked on a hamberder tomorrow I fully expect the Rs to win in 2028.
The idea any of this changes after trump’s out of office, no matter how he leaves, is not based in reality. The fascists have seized power and will not let go. The few who still profess something akin to Republicanism are rapidly dropping the last vestiges of their disguises.
I disagree. Trumpism is a cult, and once he dies (may it be speedily and in our day), there will be no one who can take his place and unify the MAGA die-hards who form his core power base. Many will try, but they will fracture the RW bloc into many small factions.
This, plus the incredible unpopularity of everything Trump has done, will leave a clear path for the Dems. As a reminder, AFAIK, since Jan. 20, 2025, there have been vastly more Democratic gains and holds in the dozens of local and special elections held across the country. Districts that went 20 or 30% for Trump have elected Democrats. Republicans have made almost no gains, and only held a few spots, many in elections held early in 2025, before the full horror of the Trump regime was on view.
IF we can have free and fair elections in November (yes, it’s a big IF), he will become a lame duck, and power will shift away from him. At least some of the spineless Rs in Congress will grow a pair, and we may begin the slow process of returning the country to some vestige of post-Trump normality.
With any luck he will die before the 2028 election. I don’t like Vance, but he isn’t a toxic marcissist with dementia, and as I said above, he won’t have anything like the political clout of Trump.
So the top priorities for anyone who loves democracy are safeguarding elections across the country and electing progressive Dems who are fighters and will push do-nothing Dem leaders like Schumer and Jeffries aside and attack Trump and his toadies head-on.
This is what I’m hoping for and what my wife and I are working towards with the local chapter of Indivisble that she founded in late 2024. We’ve gone from 12 members to over 700. We gained more than 100 after the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti.
Hoping for change and taking action may not succeed, but pessimism and doing nothing are guaranteed to give Trump a win.
At this point I feel that it’s a given that the GOP will try to cancel or rig the elections, since unless something changes dramatically in the next seven months they’re going to lose badly. I do think that the number of people visibly “hoping for change and taking action” is going to have a big impact on how likely they are to succeed in that, so let’s all keep it up.
I agree 100% and I’ve said this over and over. Trump is the hub, the core, the gravitational center. When the hub is gone, the spokes will not be able to re-assemble to make the car go as before.
I don’t see anyone in the MAGA-Republican world who has the audacity to ignore the constitution, ignore Judges’ rulings, ignore world opinion and pick up where trump leaves off (soon, I hope). Vance? Cruz? Miller? No way.
I don’t see anyone rising from the ranks with a combination of star power AND trump’s utter disrespect for the law along with the ability to command borderline-religious devotion to him personally. Vance? Cruz? Not fucking likely.
The movement will still be there but when the Executive Branch starts obeying the law again, the opposition will be weakened and vulnerable. Unfortunately there’s no cure for Human Nature, which wants to make “the others/the different” suffer in poverty, sickness, and deprivation, to “grunt and sweat under a weary life” in order to make themselves feel superior. That will always be with us.
Tell that to Scientology, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists, Seventh Day Adventists, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, etc., etc.
Complete non-sequitur. And not compelling examples. Might as well include the Pope.
This must be a comforting thought for Americans. Go ahead and believe it but remember a majority of US voters thought Trumpism was just fine.
Nobody outside the US shares your optimism.
Well, fuck me for trying to find a shred of hope! Who ARE you anyway?
I’m sure everyone outside the USA appreciates you speaking up for them.
Remember, the opposition to Trump must never be allowed to express hope. Only expressions of despair and contempt.
/sarcasm
I’m nobody any American would care about.
Well I appreciate it. From an international perspective, it’s going to be a very, VERY long time for the USA to come back from this. Sure Trump will be gone relatively soon. Your system that created him though? That’s not going anywhere. The massive numbers of voters that KNEW what he was and voted for him anyway? They are not going anywhere. Your corrupt Supreme Court? They are there for a long time yet.
Alliances and trust with other countries are easily destroyed and hard to repair.