WTF? Illegal to wear pants???
Funny how no one arrested the First freaking Lady back in the early days of the sixties! Those capris were pretty risque!!!
Susanann, You were an idiot six months ago, you were an idiot three months ago and you’re still an idiot.
In a thread in GQ asking about how women dress in Muslim countries her contribution is
How about because other American women are not as stupid and ignorant as you are and they believe it is worthwhile learning about other cultures?
Besides, your answer belongs in the pit and not in GQ.
Heh. I figured this thread would get bumped sometime. Every time I see one of her posts, I picture thousands of dopers rolling their eyes back in their head so far it somehow affects the tides.
Well, technically, it WAS frowned upon for a woman to wear pants in cities WAY BACK WHEN.
My great-grandmother did tell me when I was a small child that girls couldn’t wear pants in my hometown when she was younger.
The actual law, which I found on Snopes and attributed to AZ states:
In Tucson, it is illegal for women to wear pants.
**No, Tucson has no such law. A century ago, it was a misdemeanor offense there for a person to appear in public in the dress “not of his or her sex,” a law which presumably could have been applied to women wearing pants, but neither women nor pants were specifically mentioned. **
http://www.snopes.com/legal/arizona.htm
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that women would have been arrested, but in polite circles, I do believe it was considered vulgar. Of course, not wearing a bustle was 100 years (completely guesstimating) before that! 
~J
Well you know, she’d like all women who have abortions, their doctors, the assisting nurses and the boyfriends/husbands/lovers/friends/family members who give material or practical aid to suffer the death penalty.
All of them.
Which makes her a Crazy pro-life, pro-gun, racist, xenophobic, bigoted woman’s libber and avid historian.
Just to add another string to her bow.
Wanted to say this in the GD thread that sailor linked to:
susanann - you tragic, ignorant, bigoted FUCK.
I know that this still has nothing to do with the point of this thread, but I’d just like to point out that there is apparently only 4 more shopping days until big firey, alien armageddon. Thank you.
Y’know, I’ve heard similar things from female friends who’ve spent time in the middle east. I have a friend who spent three years in Jordan and the one abiding view she holds of the culture is that it is barbaric and primitive purely for the way women are treated there. I, like Susanann, can’t understand why a woman from a country where women are treated equally would stoop to being treated like a 3rd class citizen just for the sake of learning about this other culture. I mean damn, they can do whatever floats their boat but I wonder why they don’t just read a book or something. Just seems crazy to me.
Ummm, Ben, because some of us believe that you learn more from experiencing something firsthand than you do by reading a book about it? I’ve made my career assisting people from other cultures, and so the more about other cultures I learn, the more effective I am at my job, and the more effective I am as a member of the human race.
I don’t think I could live for an extended period in a culture like that, but spend a week? In a heartbeat! The only reason I haven’t so far is simple triage: there are a lot of places closer to home and cheaper to get to that I haven’t seen yet. That, and I’d rather not go by myself. I’m not a fan of traveling alone anyway, and even less so if I were to travel somewhere that unfamiliar, especially with no knowledge of the language and the issues that a woman traveling alone would be likely to face.
If you want to stick to your own little universe, well go right ahead. Some of us prefer to expand our horizons.
FYI I travel a lot and enjoy expanding my horizons. However, if I wanted to find out about a country where men tended to be treated like dirt I’d stay home and read a book or two. I guess that’s just me.
Yeesh. Can you imagine if she met him ? Get a film crew. It’ll be just like Balistic: Server vs. Ecks.
Barbaric and primitive.
Well, what an interesting judgment. What can one say, other than it is idiocy?
What in the manner of treatment of women in the aggregate is barbaric and primative in Jordan?
I suppose another one of the whinging expats unable to adjust.
Well, given the Western women I know in the region, the reason would be that they are not in fact treated as 3rd class citizens, whatever the scaremongering and horror stories told by those unable to adjust to culture shock.
While there are issues in the region, and women’s rights need to be better, imagery of “3rd class” treatment hardly captures the life of a Western woman round here nor in fact I would say most women in general.
Of course, the insular and the isolated tend to see nothing but horrors.
Geez. This thread came back from the dead? Is she still looking for her daily boot-to-the-head?
Oh, wait. I see her GD post. Yup.
Punt
Oh, bless you. Wolfian! I’d forgotten all about that thread. It’s like watching Nick at Nite and there’s a really funny episode of Cheers on, except you forgot that one even existed, so watching it is like watching it for the very first time, only better.
Did that make sense?
Seconded.
And I’ve even visited Jordan, where I was treated with exceptional hospitality and respect.
If you bigoted, paranoid arseholes actually got off your arses and stopped reading books of biased scare stories, and actually visited the region, maybe you wouldn’t continue to make such embarassing, fuckwitted, TOTALLLY WRONG! pronouncements on things you clearly know fuck all about.
Indeed, yes, Istara, indeed yes.
The moral of the tale is that while there are indeed serious gender issues in the region, much of the scaremongering is based on the most extreme events, which generally are fairly rare. It is rather like judging the US off of a daily crime report sheet. There is truth to it, but not the whole truth.
I am reminded of some (thankfully distant physically and bloodwise) rural relatives of mine coming to visit me in Brooklyn back in the day, this was the 1980s which objectively was not the safest period in NYC’s history. My poor relatives spent the entire time quaking in their boots expecting to be savegly assaulted by gangbangers, etc. etc. A ridiculous fear in my then neighborhood.
I’ll have to say that even some of the books I’ve read, when read with an open mind, don’t make me believe that women are treated disrespectfully or like third class citizens in the middle East. They are certainly treated differently than men - and I’m not planning on immigrating anytime soon - but the horror stories strung together that pass for “fact” aren’t telling the whole story - any more than the media reports of NYC in the 1980s. I’m thinking in particular about “Women of Sand and Myrrh” by Hanan al Shaykh.
Maybe different books would help get some perspective.
I don’t understand why she keeps doing this. Perhaps I’m a bit less reactive/hostile around people like this than many Dopers are.
I’ll admit it- I hate being proven wrong. To an extent, it is embarassing. But if people prove me wrong and the evidence is virtually infallable, well, there’s not much I can do beyond acknowledging it. I think the problem with Susann is perhaps she can’t get past this, that it is pride/embarassment that keeps her from admitting that she is misinformed about the situation(s).
Yup. She has a habit of never returning to acknowledge her stupid posts. She just pretends they never happened.
I like to keep it simple…
Susanann is obviously a double cross-dressing, militant feminist with a gun fetish and too much free time.