Taboos: What, Why, When, Where

My grandfather went to World War 1 and was confronted by mustard gas, explosives and weapons of the worst sort (he took a bullet in the head but survived). Human beings have had access (on an individual basis) to weapons of mass destruction for centuries* - Guy Fawkes was playing with gun powder in the 17th Century - but until the Oklamhoma City Bombing and the WTC attacks individuals or, at least, small groups of people did not choose to use them. Why? Timothy McVeigh is often talked about as having broken a taboo and in so doing opening the door for more extreme terrorist acts. If this is so what predictions can be made about that?

In short: What really are the last taboos and why and under what circumstances would they be broken? Can sexual taboos be broken in the absence of mass communication? That is the crucial point isn’t it? If no-one outside the United States had heard of Timothy McVeigh would the WTC still be standing?

*As well as the aircraft hijacking option

Stupid me: The aircraft hijacking option: no.

Well, did’nt Muslim terrorists try to blow up the WTC back in 93, a full year before the OKC bombing in 1994?

Perhaps, following your reasoning, if the Muslims has not set the example back in 93, then McViegh would never even have considered bombing the Murrah federal building.

Or perhaps it was the Government that set the precedent with Waco.

Well, there’s an interesting story which might be somewhat relevant to this question.

The Earl of Dundonald, Sir Thomas Cochrane, was a very interesting guy. He got a hold of a slow little brig named the Speedy and raised absolute hell among French and Spanish commerce in the Med, and became a very famous fellow indeed. His character and his exploits were the model for Patrick O’Brian’s first Aubrey/Maturin novel, Master and Commander.

After that, Cochrane got hisself a strange idea. Perhaps inspired by the occasional man-o-war magazine explosion which often damaged other ships nearby, he designed a series of boats which were absolutely loaded with nasty shit. One, an “explosion ship,” was planned to be loaded with powder and shrapnel, towed into an enemy harbor, and detonated. A variant of that design was to be loaded with rotting animal carcasses as well, to spread disease-carrying decaying flesh. Still another model was to carry sulphur, and be ignited in a harbor, causing suffocation to anyone nearby. Chemical, biological, and big-ass explosion warfare.

The Admiralty was abhorred. They made Cochrane take a vow of silence, and kept his ideas completely secret for decades. Why? Because the British realized that such an idea was even more dangerous if someone else used those weapons against them. I think that’s the nature of the taboo. One usually doesn’t want to unleash a new form of warfare when one cannot easily defend against it.

Addressing the broader question you ask, the problem as I see it is this: the United States and its allies have so far outstripped the rest of the world in military technology that is borders upon folly to try to compete. But people and nations will fight one another, so some bright boy decided to change the name of the game.

Prior to the fall of the Soviet Union, nations could make a choice as to which camp best suited its long-term objectives. That option doesn’t exist any longer (not until next year, anyway, when China’s mobile ICBM platforms become operational).

Asymmetric warfare of the style that has been recently visited upon the world is a logical alternative for people and nations that cannot compete on a standard military level. Furthermore, by disassociating themselves from any one nation, only the small group which perpetrated the act appears culpable. The truth of the matter is that al-Qaeda does serve the interests of many nations.

The near complete silence of the moderate Islamic world in the wake of the 9/11 events is telling, to me at least. The fact of the matter is that those tactics worked, spectacularly; while not overtly condoned, many nations appear to be silently assenting to such behavior.

Because it works, where nothing else does.

Remaining taboos? There are plenty. Mass sterilization, electromagnetic spectrum anti-personnel weapons, de-orbiting asteroids, you name it. If it can destroy nations, someone is contemplating it, that I can guarantee you.

Sofa King: The implicating of Islamic moderates in terrorist acts is long overdue. Last night I watch a BBC World programme called Dateline London in which a panel of international journalists discussed Afghanistan. One of the journalists was an American newspaperman with the incredibly fictional sounding name of Stryker MacGuire. They all seemed like modern, liberal, cosmopolitan people until, that is, the Moslem journalist (name unknown) was asked if the end of the war was in sight. He looked embarrassed, shamefaced and defensive and said it “was only the beginning”. The (very) few Moslems I have known all seemed to possess this quick rising to the surface of otherwise hidden anti-American/Western sentiment. I found it unnerving and consequently can never believe that Islamic terrorists act without a huge amount of support.

Barking Spider: Yes, that’s exactly what I mean. The sense of scale is getting blown apart - each incident is bigger than the one before.

Do you mean that he supported the war or that he was just recognising how deep anti-Western sentiment runs amongst some Muslims and people in the Middle East? Or just that he was aware how difficult it may be to root out these terrorists as Al Qaeda is so entrenched and widespread?

I mean was he actually displaying anti-American sentiment himself, or just acknowledging that it exists?

Also - I live and work in the Middle East though am Western - intially I was shocked by the amount of anti-Western sentiment here. However, I have yet to meet any Muslim with anti-Western sentiment that actually supports terrorism, jihad, Al Qaeda, Bin Laden etc - all I have spoken to are very ashamed and horrified by all this.

I think most people here - Eastern and Western, Muslim and non-Muslim - are most saddened by the fact that instead of something positive coming out of the horrific evil act - such as a better dialog between East and West that would long-term enable better communication to control terrorism and resolve some of the anti-West sentiment - the prevailing mood has been anti-Islamic, strong-arming by the West. That is how, wrongly or rightly, it is perceived here.

Now whether that is wrong or right, that is the perception. So countries here are even less happy with the West now, which is a terribly dangerous thing long term. This does NOT mean that the average Muslim on the street is going to support terrorism. It’s that those FEW who might have been inclined to support Al Qaeda etc, now are possibly even more likely to join up.

ISTARA: I think he was just exhibiting loyalty for his team. It’s a situation I’m familiar with myself. I sometimes find myself defending people that I don’t in fact have a lot of empathy with because I have bloodties with them or nationality ties or something. It’s that whole Lucifer Principle thing - you know, the book by Howard Bloom. I haven’t seen that book mentioned around here at all and I would have thought it fairly appropriate to the current situation.