Take your "no late fees" and stuff em, Blockbuster

No, but I’m a person, and I’m aware of certain general human tendencies. I’m assuming Blockbuster executives are capable of the same. One of these tendencies is to accept certain cultural regularities as presupposed standards. And, in our culture, one of these presupposed standards is that movies are due back by closing time on the due date. Why do you think BB thought it was necessary to go to all the trouble you (and XJETGIRLX) say they did to remind their customers time and time again of the change? It was because they knew that their new policy flew in the face of this tendency. And given that they knew that, it can be safely assumed that they knew that it was going to happen anyway…such is life, and such are people. Or maybe they really didn’t know that, in which case I guess they’re just idiots, but personally I’d give the heads of a billion-dollar corporation a little more credit than that. YMMV.

Not the corporate mind, the human one. I maintain that the previously mentioned effects of the plan in question were obvious to all involved: executives, employees, and customers. And because of that, in the end, it didn’t do anybody any good, which is why they’re switching gears now and going with a more straightforward plan that creates a true win-win situation. Speaking of that…

Okay, you’re reading too much into my use of the word “evil”. I do not picture Blockbuster exectives rubbing their fingertips together while laughing maniacally as they unfurl their plan to extract late fees from the unsuspecting American public. All I was implying was that, regardless of whatever intention they originally had, it should’ve been obvious that the nature of the plan itself would lead consumers to believe that their motives were other than purely benevolent. As you can see, this is what happened.

My hypothesis here, without firsthand knowledge of any of the individuals making the decisions, is that they thought they could pass it off to the public as an attempt to do them a favor. The error in their thinking if this was the case would be twofold: one, because as I said, some people are going to bitch no matter what you do; and two, because the policy goes against a clear-cut and obvious human tendency which just happens to favor the corporation if people slip up and follow their more natural course of action. Another possible scenario, and the only other reasonably likely one IMHO, is that the plan was genuinely well-intentioned at the outset, and the executives simply experienced a collective brain fart that prevented them from foreseeing the obvious manner in which this particular idea would be perceived (no psychic powers required, XJETGIRLX, only a decent sense of basic human psychology). Either way, they seem to have realized their mistake, and are working to rectify it.

On preview: tdn (and others, as I suppose this is equally applicable to all), I freely admit that the “return by noon” plan may not have been developed with extortion of extra late fees in mind. I hold, however, that: A) It is a possibility, given that (as I said) they may have thought they could pass it off as a gesture of goodwill; and B) if it was indeed developed as a good-faith gesture towards their customers, it was an uncharacteristically naive and ill-reasoned decision on their part. I don’t think (B) is overly likely, but that’s just my opinion, as as you point out, it has been the case a few times in the past. Your example of the New Coke fiasco proves quite poignant as evidence of that.

One more thing: WhyNot. From what I’ve read of your posts here, I’ve gained a certain respect for you, and I don’t think you’re flying off the cuff here. I’m at a loss, though, to understand your basis for that crack about “a sense of paranoia and conspiracy theories developed as a service industry employee”. I ask that you re-read the first three paragraphs of post #192. If anything, that’s exactly the sort of attitude I’m trying to combat.

I see where you’re coming from, Roland, and the logic is sound, but you’re making an assumption that I just don’t think holds true - that ‘by midnight’ rental policies are ingrained in our culture. It may be true for a number of rental type businesses, but it is by no means a standard or regulated thing. For any number of rental products you’ll find a thousand different policies. I just don’t see this groupthink return-by-midnight culture that you’re trying to point to. Every regular retail business I’ve ever been a customer of has a different return policy, every supermarket I’ve been to has a different policy regarding discount clubs, every coupon I’ve ever used has different terms. I don’t see why customers (and don’t forget, employees of both the stores and corporate HQ are customers too) would just assume that blockbuster is the same as hollywood video is the same as movie gallery, etc.

The reason for the extensive advertising was not to combat this preconceived notion that you assume people to have - it was because it was a change in Blockbuster’s policy. The advertising wasn’t meant for people who signed up after the switch because those policies were spelled out in the contract they signed when they got their membership. The advertising was to inform customers who signed up before the switch that our policy had changed. No matter what the policy changed to, we had an obligation to inform our customers who signed up under different terms.

I definitely agree. Even after all that has been said here, I fail to see how anyone could assign a malicious undertone to the motives of the company. It’s what people asked for - and there was no extra onus on customers or negatives for them. From a purely technical standpoint the switch was a bonus for customers all around. The fact they didn’t like it overall wasn’t the fault of the stores - just some weird product of customer psychology that in all honesty I don’t think anyone could have forseen.

Companies have to change to keep up with business and to keep their customers - when that change means more value or product for the customers without an increase in price then I don’t see how customers can really complain but as we’ve all seen proven time and again, there will always be some customers who just won’t be happy until they’re given the world on a platter.

Fair enough. Admittedly, thinking it over right now, I’m only really familiar with standard rental policy in the Roanoke area. Except for Blockbuster, the “return by close” thing is basically ubiquitous here; all of the other corporate outfits use it, and of the six private joints I can think of, the only one that doesn’t use it is the one that doesn’t close (if you catch my drift). I just assumed that, given the argument Justin_Bailey and a couple others were making, this same mindset indeed existed in other areas of the nation. If this isn’t the case in most areas, or in a significant portion of areas, I can see where my underlying assumption is unsound.

Remember those human tendencies I was talking about? Well, tendency to assume everybody everywhere thinks the same way as you do is one of them, and I fell into that trap for a moment. Guess that means I really am only human…which sucks, since my bid for omniscience was going so nicely:wink:

I don’t think the assumption of “Due at closing” is unsound at all. That has been my experience at every place I’ve rented, always and without fail. Would counting on that assumption be a great way for a store to scam a few fees out of customers? I have no doubt of it. The question then becomes whether BB was using this line of thinking when they instituted their policy. The fact is that none of us knows for sure one way or the other. In lieu of hard evidence one way or the other, I think the charitable and sensible thing to do is give them the benefit of the doubt.

This won’t keep us from speculating, of course. And we can look at circumstances and our own experience to the party on any speculation. The conclusions I draw are based on the experiences I have that a) conspiracy theories generally tend not to be true, and b) corporate culture, while often corrupt, tends not to think along those lines. YMMV, natch.

I talked to two of my managers when I worked Sun night, and neither of them knew how to get the DM’s number in Euless without calling another store in that disctrict.

But by the sound it of, it seems like that may be a fanchise store, anyway. If it is, you’re screwed. Franchise stores suck.

After working as the lose cashier last night due to a no-call/no-show, I have some advice for folks who have to stand in line:

Get your frikkin card out ahead of time. I’m quick at what I do, but I can’t get started until you get out your card. DL’s okay, but it slows things down, too. So don’t lose your card. About half the line time in my store is people trying to find their card or not being able to figure out how to swipe their card, despite my saying, “Green button, swipe, enter PIN.”

Sorry. Had to do a little rant.

On behalf of the me, I say: Get the fuck off your lazy ass and return Blockbuster’s movies when you are supposed to.

Think again.

I’ve worked for big companies. There are things that might surprise you.

Every time someone would walk up to the counter, look shocked when we asked for a card, and spend five minutes rifling through their wallet, one kid at my store would pipe up real loudly “This line will go a lot faster if you get your cards ready to go”.

I can understand not having your card out, but for the love of all that is good please hold on to your card. Blockbuster does not give you those nifty laminated cards (ohhh…those card laminiaty things are neat) as some sort of magic charm or something. They allow us to access your account, and your account will become lost in some vast database in Texas if we you toss your card out. No, we are not responible when you don’t keep your card and no, it isn’t “rediculous”. And no, it is not possible to look through every “John Smith” that has ever rented at a Blockbuster to find your account. Your gonna have to make a new one.

Okay, well, it’s not movies. But every year the following unfolds.

Buzz is created over a hot toy (Tickle me elmo, Furby).

Toy manufacturers know enough NOT to stock nearly enough of these toys, creating a further buzz. Desperate parents drive all over creation looking for one, crow triumphantly when they find one, and lots of people don’t get them.

So . . . the people who don’t get them have to buy lots of OTHER toy-thingies to mollify their rugrats. (Ka-ching!)

Then in January or February, there ARE enough of the hot Xmas toys, so the parents buy them then–they promised, after all, and since the kiddie didn’t get it for Xmas, now’s the time. (Ka-ching!)

Sure, a lot of the Cabbage Patch Tickle Me Furby toys go unsold in Feb. but it doesn’t matter.

This scenario is repeated every year quite successfully and even if you are a corporate executive who knows all about it you, too, buy into it, if you have kids.

I’m sure there are people out there who think the corporation with the hot toy sincerely underestimated the demand. Or that the distributors messed up. Sure, that’s why it happens every year!

Okay, I’m not saying Blockbuster is evil. But I am saying that probably they didn’t sit down and say, “Hey, this will save the customers money!” They don’t want to save the customers money, they want them to spend it . . . at Blockbuster.

The noon return policy was a misfire because Blockbuster’s intent was not camouflaged well enough, and while this is only a theory* it’s not exactly a conspiracy theory.

*With regard to Blockbuster. Not the toys.

That’s wishful math on your part.

1st day: order 3 movies
2nd day: the movies are in the mail, on their way to you.
3rd day, receive 3 movies. quickly copy them to HD and mail them back.
4th day: the movies are in the mail, on their way to netflix
5th day: Netflix receives the movies, sends you 3 more
6th day: the movies are in the mail, on their way to you.
7th day: nothing happens, it’s sunday
8th day: Receive 3 movies, etc.

So, in 8 days, you get 6 movies. In a month, you get 22 movies. not 150. And that’s an ideal scenario. I’m assuming you live close to one of their shipping centers and that it never takes more than 2 days for a dvd to ship. I’m also assuming you don’t keep the movies more than an hour or so and that neither netflix nor you ever ships a movie too late for it to be picked up by USPS that same day. That’s a lot of assumptions.

If we go with more reasonable assumptions, the number of movies a month drops to 12 for assiduous viewers.

In practice, most netflix users hover between 3 and 6 movies a month and a very sizable chunk stop renting altogether for months at a time. (I did) That’s why netflix is profitable.

Not to say that netflix isn’t worth it. If you do rent 12 movies a month. That’s less than $2.50 / rental. It’s hassle free and they’re very easy to deal with. They have a great catalogue too. So yes, use them and be happy, but don’t think you can ever get 150 movies a month

This is the Straight Dope afterall :wink: