You have shied away from your opponents so many times that I wish I had a dime for each time you did so. I have never seen you admit to a blatant mistake - you simply never admit you were proven wrong.
Your posting history here shows you to be a board joke.
eta: Please don’t put up with it. Please leave. Your very presence here is a net loss for the board.
What’re you guys doing, passing around emails? 
Look, I’m not going to put up with being pestered about some damn post every frigging time I log on to the board or make a post. Period. End of story.
Play it however you like, but you you’re going to get exactly nowhere.
Everyone got home from work, I imagine.
We didn’t follow you around the board to pester you. We confined it specifically to a thread in which you decided to participate and make an argument. People responded to that argument, and instead of defending your points, you declared “too busy for the boards, won’t be in the thread for a while… except to post a whole bunch to argue new stuff. I’m too busy to support the old bullshit you called me out on though, so don’t ask me, let me focus on spreading new bullshit”
Meanwhile saying “How dare you question my integrity! I always engage with my opponents and admit when I’m wrong. And because you asked me to prove it, well, that just proves how much I shouldn’t engage with you or display any integrity! This is all your fault!”
Put up or shut up. If you come into my thread making arguments and are asked to back them up, do it. If you don’t, I will make sure everyone sees what a weasel you are.
Nice summary.
Or to make it shorter: He’s fucking pathetic.
Yes, but then everybody would see that I’m suscepible to schoolyard taunts and to let myself get jerked around.
I told you to back off and I’d get to it when I wanted to. There is no board rule that posts have to be answered within a specific amount of time. There’s not even a rule that they have to be answered at all. You yourself even said: You yourself even said: “TakeTake your time. There’s no hurry. Take a week or two (or three) if you like. Really, there’s no rush. No rush at all. Just remember that post when you come back.” Remember?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with me wanting a bit of a breather from heavy-duty posting for a little while after the brouhaha over the Susanann thread and all the other posting I had been doing two days straight. Almost every free moment I had during that time was spent on this board, and I was tired of the hair-splitting and argument over the technical meaning of every frigging thing I said. It is my right to take a break from certain arguments if I want to. That doesn’t mean I have to stay out of threads - even if you do regard them as “yours” - and it doesn’t mean I have to snap to on command for you or anyone else.
But no, you had to start up with the taunts, demanding an answer whenever I showed up, despite the fact that I told you that you twice that you were on thin ice and to drop it; I would get to it later.
So now you’ve made your choice. You specifically and consciously made the decision to force the issue, and with a fair amount of insult and character assassination thrown in for good measure, I might add…a tactic you continue to pursue even now. So, sorry Charlie, no can do. You made your choice despite two warnings to back off, so now you can live with it.
We can only hope that, in time, he can find the strength to go on.
The first few times I just asked you to address the points and defend the argument you decided to make. The taunting didn’t come later until it was clear you were gonna puss out.
Of course. But there’s no rule that someone can’t repeatedly point your weasel dodgy bullshit. Apparently based on the feedback on the thread, people enjoy watching you squirm.
Did you not notice I was just sarcastically quoting what you said in post 169?
If you’re tired of all the arguing, then you shouldn’t come back to the same very thread and argue. “Oh I’m just so tired of all this argument, so let me go into the same threads I was arguing in before and start entirely different arguments”… yeah, right.
The reality is that you spout bullshit. People call you on it. At that point, if you can, you move onto new bullshit that hasn’t been refuted yet. If someone holds your feet to the fire and makes you respond to your bullshit, you’ll suddenly need to take a break and come back when people have forgotten your last argument.
Only this time you didn’t even do it. You said you were gonna do it, but then you were right back arguing other stuff. Which is even more pathetic than lying about it and then staying away. Since you didn’t even live up to your flimsy, bullshit excuse.
You wouldn’t have gotten to it later. There’s no chance you would’ve started up a bunch of new arguments over the next 2-3 days then suddenly came back to respond to my post 5 days ago. It was never going to happen. 0% chance.
If my “character assassination” means pointing out what you’re actually doing right now beyond any reasonable doubt, it’s not really character assassination… it’s description.
No, the taunting came when you took it upon yourself to decide that I had “pussed out”. If you had waited several days or a week you might have had reasonable grounds to arrive at that conclusion. But you didn’t. Your insults and accusations of wussing out began virtually the next time I appeared and kept up from then on, even when I wasn’t around.
There are arguments and then there are arguments. Some of them amount to little more than giving an opinion and arguing on a fairly superficial level in a way that doesn’t take much time or effort, and then there are other ones where things are more heated, there are more misrepresentations and more misunderstandings, and more time has to be spent going over just who said what and in what context. You’ve been around here plenty long enough to know that not all arguments require the same level of commitment.
I’d be surprised if you could find a dozen - maybe even a half dozen - instances in my entire posting history of 8 years and more than 11,000 posts where someone thought they had me backed into a corner and the consensus was that I bailed on them. (Which, of course, in no way means that I did.) For you to claim that it’s a routine occurance is a huge load of bullshit on its own.
And now guess what?
I still haven’t finished my book and I’m gonna go pick it up again. So you can talk to the screen!
Once again, SA, you have won the thread, and vanquished your adversaries into oblivion with your on-target logic and relentless self-examining honesty. Walk out of the thread with your head held high!
No, keep walking. I’ll let you know when you can stop.
one mississippi…two mississippi…three mississippi…
Sorry that I can’t give a cite, but on the news a day or two ago, someone said that Norway averaged 40 murders a year. It’s hard to imagine such a low rate.
Perhaps then it makes more difference in the middle class level? Since I have never had the pleasure of making anything close to $500K, I am not at all versed in their taxes.
Note - I am in no way against any repeal of tax cuts for the rich, if that is what you are thinking.
Shrug. After 20 years, probably. That still doesn’t mean that we don’t talk.
I see - you never make any mistakes? Being tired never causes you to make a typo? Wow, I’ve never met a perfect person before… cough.
Not San Diego, and I doubt I was in Hawaii at the time. If I said middle of the night, then it was 12:36 AM or thereabouts.
That’s fine, don’t care. You are not really expected to believe everything you read you know. I merely made a post to show a different viewpoint which is - the loss of my ability to work has meant zero to us.
Uh, what money we will see at the end of the year is immaterial - I’ve been out of work since 2007, remember? We set the withholding on my husband’s salary based on our best estimate of what we will owe at the end of the year, since we aren’t really interested in the fed holding a bunch of our money interest free - they don’t really like doing it either.
As for whether or not reality has influence with conservatives, I’m not sure what that has to do with anything at all, except that you apparently cannot see beyond black and white.
You are allowed to have a viewpoint that “the loss of my ability to work has meant zero to us”, that is a personal value judgement and being a working parent is difficult.
On the other hand, the idea that you are forgoing $20K in pre-tax salary and not seeing an actual reduction in your family post-tax income is not a viewpoint, it’s a factual claim and it does not correspond to the way that taxes work.
I’d be surprised if you could find one instance of you actually supporting an argument you made with anything like remotely convincing evidence. It is a routine occurrence for you to say extremely moronic shit and then flee. What you have proven repeatedly is that you lack any human capacity for embarrassment or shame, but you are in fact a board joke.
The thing is, you have no redeeming qualities that offset the detriment that you do to the board. There’s no topic that is the thing that people point to and say, “well, at least he knows his stuff about X,” or “Yeah, he’s an asshole when it comes to politics, but he’s really great when talking about other stuff.” It’s just all downside from you.
The poor ‘work a hell of a lot harder’ than other workers?
Um…cite?
Anyway, I don’t think anyone said the poor are fucking around all day. However, it seems pretty fair to assume that, since my family and I grew up in the exact same dirt-poor environment, and none of us are poor now, at some point we weren’t fucking around while they were. Unless you’re suggesting that everything is just blind luck, a spin of the roulette wheel.
The poor people I know may work hard, but they stay poor mainly because they make stupid choices. They burn through $5 a day on smokes and $50-100 every weekend on going out, and then wonder why they’re broke all the time. Yes, it’s an overly broad generalization. But it very mostly fits the people around me that are still stuck living paycheck to paycheck, yet still buying stupid stuff on near-maxed out credit cards.
People aren’t being held down by ‘the system’. By and large they are hold themselves down by making stupid choices.
Could you please help me reconcile this statement (which makes sense on its face) with this chart: Wealth Gaps Rise to Record Highs Between Whites, Blacks, Hispanics | Pew Research Center
And with this factoid:
[QUOTE=NY Times]
The bottom 50 percent of households, based on pretax income, make less combined than the top 1 percent. Only three decades ago, the bottom half made more than twice as much.
[/QUOTE]
The grammar is bad, but I believe the “twice as much” means twice as much as the top 1 percent did at that time. Cite
At what point do we conclude that the changing conditions are a reflection of changes in “the system”? Or are people just making a lot more bad choices now?
Couldn’t it be the other way around? That quote doesn’t actually say the poor are worse off now; what if they’re still doing no better and no worse, but the rich are doing twice as well? Heck, what if the poor are doing twice as well as before, and the rich are doing four times as well?
The way that you understand that taxes work is what you mean. I am not saying that I understand why this is true, I am merely saying that we are not seeing a noticeable reduction in our lifestyle (which is what I said and not what you say above) since I had to quit working. For example, and I hesitate to say this because Broomstick will go nuts, I vacationed in Hawaii for the first time in my life this year. We are not rich enough that this sort of thing is easy for us to do, but OTOH my not working didn’t mean we couldn’t do it.
I’m sorry I can’t give you actual numbers since I don’t have any paystubs from 2007. You do realize that reduction in income means a reduction in all payroll taxes, and that in our case, we pay state income tax, right?
I don’t see anything in there about the affect of making bad choices - those who do that were harder hit recently than those who don’t.
Do you believe this to be the case?
Here is some data (from 2006) for inflation-adjusted incomes since 1967. Note that the 40% percentile is basically flat. Change in incomes since 1967 (middle, upper-middle quintiles) — Visualizing Economics