It doesn’t matter if the kid is a straight A student or not. He is a student, teacher doesn’t get to hit him.
It doesn’t matter if the teacher flipped his lid, or if he had all the reasons in the world to be upset. He is the teacher, doesn’t get to hit a student.
It doesn’t matter if the kid got bruises (though from the video that’s an idiotic question if ever there was one) He was a student and shouldn’t be hit.
Teachers should not hit students. Period. If the student is unruly, and the administration of the school cannot handle it, hitting the student is still not the answer. If you think our society has gone soft, and the cause of all woe is the lack of the occasional ass-whoopin’ to prevent worse later, you are apparently missing that crime is at/near an all-time low, and you need to find some other way to deal with your child-beating fetish
So you’re agreeing that the teacher should be thrown in jail, his assets liquidated and handed over to the 14 yr old?
That’s quite the non-sequitur leap of positions and yes; of course that’s the only option other than total agreement with your non-nuanced, absolutist screed, er, I mean viewpoint. :rolleyes:
Well…actually, I kinda do feel like we should be able to smack people who act a certain way because they think we won’t smack 'em. In practice I never actually smack anybody though, so despite my inclinations I am still part of the solution. Yay me!
But I don’t have a child abuse fetish. That must have been projection.
Funny, I don’t see that anywhere in the post you responded to. Actually he should be charged with assault and battery.
Oh, but thanks for correcting the quote to “liquidated.”
it was ultimately in response to #183:
I’n trying to understand why anyone would want children hit by adults in a school setting. Fetishism seems as good an explanation as any. That said, I obviously engaged in some unwarranted hyperbole there, for which apologies. Also, I don’t at present have any reason to believe any in this thread have a position informed by fetishism, at least until some proof presents itself.
To answer words with physical violence is never ok. I understand why people do it at times - might even be tempted myself. But even then, we have laws to deal with this, and for good reason. The situation between a teacher and a student is a special subset of everyday life, in which the prohibition on physical violence is, or by rights should be, even more stringent.
As to the consequences for the teacher, I never spoke to them. We have laws to deal with assault, the which I assume he is subject to. As to the special circumstance of this being between teacher and student, I would hope he does not get to resume teaching unless and until he can satisfactorily show he would not repeat the offense.
You never hit a student unless it’s in self-defence. It’s not hard to understand. There are no excuses.
I’ve been teaching for 23 years and no, never, no way. The teacher should go to prison, nor just fired.
Do you want the teacher who hits kids teaching yours?
Reality seems to disagree.
You guys keep oversimplifying. This is not “teacher hits student.” This is “student assaulted teacher, called him a nigger, and teacher hit back at student.” You cannot isolate it to just the teacher hitting the student. If they were both adults having a fight outside, I would be on the second guy’s side, no the one who started it.
And I say this as someone who ultimately fell on the side of the teacher should not have hit the student. But I’m not going to pretend that this is the exact same situation as a teacher just randomly one day hitting a student, or hitting a student in reaction to just bad behavior.
I would actually be okay with the kid being expelled. The N-word alone would be a suspension, as would the violence. Put 'em together, no more going to that school. Send him off to alternative school.
What are you talking about? No matter what someone who is standing in front of you is yelling, you can’t just punch them in the face. I don’t understand why this is so complicated to understand.
We all seem to be leaving out that the student threw something at the teacher. Name-calling is one thing but the student took it to a new level by assaulting the teacher first.
BigT, are you saying the “assault” was the initial throwing of the ball? Or are you buying into the notion of some on the crazytown Left that words are literal violence?
This offers no justification for the teacher’s physical assault on the student. You are allowed to defend yourself against imminent or ongoing physical assault: if someone is winding up to punch/kick you, it’s reasonable to tackle them first and hold them on the ground until the cops show up. But if someone throws a basketball at you, retaliating a few minutes later with a flurry of punches to the head is not in any way acceptable.
I believe that given the possibility of the student carrying a concealed weapon or escalating the situation even further to physically attacking the teacher that it is reasonable that the teacher may have felt his safety (and those of his students) may be in danger. The question is was the teacher’s response to that potential danger appropriate? In a fight you make sure your opponent stays down so one could make the argument that the teacher’s response was reasonable
except, there was no evidence of a weapon (other than the basketball) and IIRC the student was not approaching the teacher. So even if one considers the teacher’s actions a reasonable response to a potentially life-threatening situation he is still in the wrong because POTENTIALLY is not ACTUALLY.
-sorry I got here late-
The way the news was reported here, he simply called the teacher “nigger”. But in this OP, it’s stated as him saying “<blah blah>, my nigga”.
That’s a big difference. Both are inappropriate of course. But the latter can feasibly be a dumb kid not understanding what is or is not acceptable to say, not even necessaily trying to insult the teacher.
I said sure as shit said plenty of dumb things when I was a teenager – not racist things but I remember (and regret) saying something insensitive about cancer not long after a teacher’s family member had died of it. That teacher didn’t punch me out.
I thought the teacher should get jail time prior to hearing about “my nigga”, but now it’s an even bigger over-reaction than I thought.