Teacher Tells Class: Vote Obama

I don’t think that’s a very effective argument. You seem to be saying that if only Dio shared your opinion of what is an opinion and what is a fact, his argument would be destroyed. It is nice that you always welcome visitors, but it would be swell if you would always welcome dissent.

How are these my peeps?

Or is this just going to be another drive-by, never-answered claim, like your claim about Republican judges that seems to have elicited no response after I point out that it was actually a Democratic judge that made the ruling?

Actually I own the newspaper and am managing editor, neither of which is really relevant to the discussion. Did you watch the video? It wasn’t merely someone giving an opinion - it was a judgment of the kids’ opinions from an authoritative figure acting as though her opinion was the correct way of thinking - not an opinion. You put opinions into perspective and label them as such, attributing them appropriately. And again, up until the issue with the little girl, I was far from outraged, but that was over the top wrong. You think that child doesn’t miss her father and worry about him all the time? And to have a teacher turn around and basically tell the child that her vote is going to keep her father away for years? Did you see the look on the little girl’s face? That to me, was absolutely wrong.

I haven’t seen the video, but my father was off in the Mediterranean as part of the Desert Shield operation during my most formative years, so I have a bit of first-hand experience with that feeling. I can tell you that it was hard enough to understand and accept my father being gone for so long without authority figures telling me that he might die in a pointless war and that I could only prevent it by convincing my parents to vote Democrat. It might well have been true, but that was not something I could have handled at a young age.

She ought to be fired, frankly.

Dio, we all already know you are a complete idiot, why do you have to continue to provide us with evidence?

Also, care to share with us your definition of the word “opinion”? Because it is much different than the definition every other English speaker uses.

Please demonstrate in what way the invasion of Iraq made sense.

I’ll give part of the “100 years” to you. McCain did not mean fighting – necesarily. Could be, though. There is no point in keeping them there if we don’t think they’re going to be needed. At any rate, I doubt seriously that it will be anything similar to our keeping troops in Germany for 63 years. I’m pretty sure they don’t have Ocktoberfest in Iraq.

And, yes, since I’ve been burned before by not responding to the OP while poking a numbskull, I’ll admit that the teacher was out of line.

I never said the invasion of Iraq made sense. I just said that saying “Iraq is a senseless war” is a statement of opinion and not a statement of fact. An opinion does not become a fact just because you agree with it.

No, an opinion becomes a fact when the overwhelming evidence and testimony determines that it is. Parse your words carefully enough, and the attack on Pearl Harbor is an opinion. But its not, now is it?

It becomes a fact when the evidence proves so. The evidence does so prove.

Cite that politicians say things in speeches? :smiley:

Well, you brought it up. If you were making an analogy, it failed. If not, whatever your purpose was did not come through to me.

Yes, of course I watched the video. Did you think there might be something onerous about watching it? Or did you think, as Daniel did with Diogenes, that unless I agree with you, my take on the matter is wrong?

And to me, as I said, not so. The fact that the girl was surprised to learn the truth was itself an indictment of her school. The superintendent in his video (did you watch it?) laid out exactly what is at play here — good decent military familes and children versus anti-American dissenters. Same old shit as before, and people on the left, for whom hope springs eternal, are making an effort to be fair by equating wrong parts from the video with things they’ve seen from the right. Instead, as I said — what, three times now? — they should be outraged that the children had not been educated about the differences between the candidates. But the superintendent confirmed, in my opinion, that they have been indoctrinated with the same rah-rah bullshit that right wing-nuts have been espousing for the past two years (and before).

Wow. Not to put too fine a point on it, but you guys are stupid as hell. I suppose you’ve devised an objective test for determining whether a war is “senseless,” you’ve applied this objective test to the Iraq war, and the outcome of the test is “yep, senseless.”

Luci, what do you mean by “the attack on Pearl Harbor is an opinion”? If you mean that I must think the statement “the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor” is an opinion, you’d be wrong. That is a statement of fact that can be tested to determine whether it is true. It is not similary possible to test “the Iraq war is senseless” to determine if that is also true.

Idiot. Have someone explain to you the purpose of a dependent clause.

Nicely done. This is the way it should be taught.

What are you talking about? I know what a dependent clause is, but I don’t see how it’s relevant.

I think the teacher should be informed when a special needs student is mainstreamed into their class. Hence the surprised “Jesus”. :slight_smile:

I am an Iraqi ex-pat whose family was murdered by Saddam Hussein. I support the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, passed by unanimous consent in the senate and signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1998, supporting regime change in Iraq. I also support the 2002 Iraq Resolution - passed 77-23 in the senate - based on, among other things:

[ul][li]Iraq’s noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.[/li][li]Iraq’s “brutal repression of its civilian population.”[/li][li]Iraq’s “capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people”.[/li][li]Iraq’s hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.[/li][li]Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.[/li][/ul]

To me, this is not a senseless war, and therefore it is not a factually or objectively senseless war.

No, he explicitly did not mean fighting. He said it. What’s the point in still having troops in Germany, Japan, and Korea if we don’t think they’re going to be needed? He said that was exactly the type of situation he was referring to, so your doubts don’t really mean much here.

Again, I don’t support the war and I didn’t support McCain’s election bid but you asked.

Let’s see:

Senseless:

  1. destitute or deprived of sensation; unconscious.
  2. lacking mental perception, appreciation, or comprehension.
  3. stupid or foolish, as persons or actions.
  4. nonsensical or meaningless, as words: This letter is either cryptic or senseless.

I think #3 (although #2 is a close runner-up)covers the Iraq war. Do you really think anybody in the administration really thought there were WMD? Since that was the reason for the war I think it is safe to say it was an objectively senseless war. Now if you are willing to admit that the real reason for the war was for Bush to prove he had a big dick and toss a few bucks to his friends at Halliburton and other war profiteers then I will concede that it was not senseless, unpatriotic and traitorous and probably criminal but not senseless.

The bolded part is the crux of the whole thing. This makes it your opinion.

Look, why is it not good enough for some of you libtards to just disagree on issues? Why do you have to do stupid shit like insisting that “the Iraq war is senseless” is a statement of fact?