Technical Accuracy, the Spirit of the OP and Fighting the Hypothetical

A recent thread asked why lurkers no longer post (and it was in itself a good example of why) and its been something I’ve been thinking about. Personally for myself a large extent of the reason why I no longer post much is that starting and participating in threads is no longer fun and interesting because too many people seem to approach it with a poor attitude, not to exchange ideas and challenge opinions but seemingly to ‘win’ the thread or drag it off onto another subject they would prefer to talk about, usually something that’s already been rehashed a thousand times before elsewhere.

I’m currently reading ‘On the Beach’ by Nevil Shute, a depiction of how an Australian community deals with an end of the world scenario. I thought it might be interesting to see how people on the SD would approach a similar situation but reconsidered because I’m no longer interested in writing a multi-page treatise to cover every single loophole, anticipating diverting responses and trying to prevent people derailing the thread or sending it off on a tangent to talk about their own personal favourite subject.

You can already tell how a thread is going to go, for example the subject may be "Leaving technical and scientific inaccuracies aside how would you deal with a slowly encroaching inevitable end of the world scenario like that in ‘On the Beach’?

Somebody will come in with a needlessly hostile and aggressive attitude, “The ‘end of the world’ is a stupid concept and you’re an idiot for starting this thread”

One or multiple misanthropes, “Good. I hate people, the world is better of without them and my only regret is this scenario isn’t slow, painful and horrific enough”

Another, “We need to define exactly what is meant by ‘end of the world’, the world will be just fine as its humans and other animals that will die, therefore this entire thread is so broad as to be meaningless and discussion is pointless”

Of course someone else will attempt to define exactly what is meant by, ‘world’, ‘end’, ‘slowly’, ‘the’ etc

And classic hypothetical fighting, “Nothing is ‘inevitable’, some way will be found to stop it or some people will survive, therefore this thread is pointless”

Someone will of course attempt to derail it by blaming the end of the world on Donald Trump so its turned into yet another politics thread, or someone will get upset because the book the scenario is from is set in the 1950’s, that there was race and gender discrimination in that period and force it onto yet another discussion about those issues. Bonus points for them if they get the OP to apologise for their insensitivity (assuming their gender and race of course)

People will look for minor issues with the OP and focus on them while ignoring the obvious spirit of what was intended and attempt to win the thread by doing so. Basically killing the discussion by approaching it like a lawyer cross-examining a witness.

Others will take it as an opportunity to show off how smart they think they are, usually with the phraseology, "How exactly do you think ‘x’ happens?’

And absolutely guaranteed someone will post a reply before they’ve read the entire scenario of the OP or failed to comprehend it, in the above an argument would almost certainly start about how radiation doesn’t spread as depicted in the novel despite specifically being asked to leave such issues aside.

There are so many other things that basically always happen in a thread on the SD these days and I for one find it tiresome and pointless to go over the same things again and again because you haven’t written an absolutely watertight scenario and people would rather beat their own personal pet interests to death rather than participate in the subject of a thread as intended.

Yep.

That crap gets old.

And try being right leaning on this board as a bonus… (see what I did there? :slight_smile: )

I hear you. A year or two ago I started a thread “What would it be like if you dated your celebrity crush?” and immediately some posters pounced on the fact that I hadn’t specified that they would have to be single and unmarried. That should be obviously assumed.

Bolding mine.

The kinds of posts you object to have been common enough on the board since it began, and long before you joined. There’s really nothing new about this.

By all accounts, this board has been going rapidly downhill since it was started. One can only imagine how wonderful it was in 1999.

Or, you know, you asked a bad hypothetical. If people get caught up in digressions without answering the original question, that means the original topic wasn’t interesting enough and people had to add to it to get something out of it. If the hypothetical doesn’t seem to make sense as it is asked, then maybe it needs clarification, not people being told they are “hostile.”

I’m sorry, but saying that someone is the worst person possible while also being a good leader is an extremely hard concept to grasp. I’d put it in line with “what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?” If he is the worst person I can imagine, then he’s not doing good things. This is a case where more specificity is needed. I can’t weigh which is more important if I don’t know exactly how evil this guy is. I tried to “fix” it and I still wound up with an unsatisfying way to deal with it.

Plus, well, this is still a discussion board. We want to discuss things, not just put down an answer. Once a few people have put down their explanation for one side or the other, there likely is no other answer. So the only way to keep the thread going is to take the concept somewhere else. So even a good hypothetical is going to veer off after a bit.

Also, about Trump: your question inherently invoked Trump. I mean, as far as Trump supporters are concerned, Trump is your first guy. He is awful, but he’s doing what they think will make America better, so they don’t mind. They genuinely think he is playing 5th dimensional chess and getting things done.

Eh, you can always just move on and not add anything. If I start a thread about a UFO landing in your back yard, I’d probably be happier that it die unanswered than it be kept on life support with prattle about the improbability of the FTL travel needed to reach Earth from…

…or, for the less scientifically inclined, how you don’t have a back yard.

Don’t forget the Grammar Nazis.

Is this the ontological argument?

Some interesting points, Alex, but I am in fear of sounding like one of the bad guys you write about if I respond.
:slight_smile:

Agree. I stopped reading this thread:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=848820
early on because of that same crap. The OP was clear on what he was asking but posters had to crap on it anyway.

Sadly, no. Probably because I lost interest in the OP pretty early on, and only proceeded to the responses to see if there were any snappy rejoinders.

Atomic Alex

Do you have a cite for this opinion of yours? One that I can challenge the validity of and then dismiss your point entirely?

Because we aren’t even going be able to discuss gold fish food if I do not approve of the source of your cite. Sure, gold fish food is being talked about on all the major and minor news outlets, but if you hastily quote the wrong source you will be placed into a box that completely defines every facet of your identity.

:smiley:

Oh, yeah. “Bush Lied!!!” God I miss those simpler days.

To be clear, do you mean food for the type of fish commonly known as “gold fish”, or some sort of fish food that is made out of gold?

How does a hypothetical about Nevil Shute’s scenario in Australia inherently invoke Trump?

Maybe I am being whooshed - did you mean this as a joke?

Regards,
Shodan

You’ve summarized exactly why I’ve become very reluctant to start threads. I start typing an OP that I think will be interesting and/or fun; then I start imagining all the different ways the thread can (and probably will) go off the rails, and I say “screw it” and close the browser tab.

As Colibri noted, this certainly isn’t a new phenomenon, but it takes a while to figure it out when you’re new to the board.

No doubt. I suspect a fair few of the people doing it today are the same ones who did it back then. They never went away. The problem is that so many interesting people who didn’t post like that did go away. The gross amount of stupid, pedantic bullshit hasn’t changed. Its ratio to interesting posts has.

No, he’s talking about Alex’s thread about “Which would you rather vote for, a disgusting person who would competently enact your preferred policies, or a bumbling decent person who would screw it up”. There’s your Donald Trump right there, except the “competent” part.

Make the SDMB Great Again!

mc

No it hasn’t.

Now there’s a straight line.